Fr.Dario Vitali is deceptive and heretical

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Fr.Dario Vitali, the Director of the Department of Dogmatic Theology, Gregorian Pontifical University, Rome says 'doctrines develop' when he really has interpreted hypothetical cases as being objective exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation.In this way he rejects the old ecclesiology.This is unethical and literally a lie.He interprets magisterial texts with the hypothetical 'red' passages being objective exceptions to the 'blue' orthodox passages.1 This is an objective error.

In an interview with the magazine La Gregoriana( May 2018) which has been pulled down from the Internet by the university,he states 'doctrines develop' and refers to his 'open view' to 'Christian' and not Catholic doctrines.I found this copy of this issue of the magazine appropriately in a dustbin.

His Department of Theology offers a Licentiate  to only those students who interpret Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents, with a false premise to create a non traditional and heretical conclusion. He is assisted in this ruse by Prof. Sergio Bonanni.

In an excerpt in English, the magazine states, "Our offer is incredibily wide and open", said Rev. Vitali, " The never ending attention to the development of doctrines and to the dialogue they have with the different disciplines or the connected sciences, allows the building of an open view of the Doctrine, true to Tradition and in continuous dialogue with culture".
'True to Tradition'?!!
It is only by confusing what is invisible as being visible, implicit as explicit and hypothetical as being objective that the traditional Jesuit doctrines on exclusive salvation has been rejected, to please the present Satanic culture. So they dialogue with culture saying outside the Church there is salvation.This is the new ecclesiology.It is a theology whose foundation is an objective error, created with the familiar false premise.This deception is supported by Pope Francis and Pope Benedict.
Vitali says in the interview in Italian (Una visione aperta della dottrina cristiana di Paolo Pegoraro. La Gregoriana 53/2018) that Pope Francis supports this program of study. He says this is an open vision of doctrine(Catholic ?) and a development 'faithful to Tradition'.
He does not say that this was all made possible when he and the faculty would deceptively interpret Lumen Gentiun as an exception to the past ecclesiology and the baptism of desire etc.LG 8 etc are projected as objective exceptions to the past ecclesiology .This is false reasoning used to create a rupture with the Patristic Fathers.
Unlike Fr. Vitali  the Jesuit missionaries chose to be  martyred for the Faith.They did not dialogue with the pagan cultures by changing doctrine.
Practically, students at the Gregorian University are taught to reject Tradition. They are taught a new narrative on Catholic tradition.The original theology and ecclesiology of the Church is called 'radical' and 'ideological'. This has to be expected.The Left is from Satan.He is the Father of Lies.
So in the Department of  Missiology, based on there being exceptions to exclusive salvation, Fr. Bryan Lobo sj, teaches a theology of religions.
A conference was also held at the university on Teilhard de Chardin's fantasy theology which has no scientific support.The Masons and Theosophists who promote reincarniation find Chardin useful.
Similarly a false concept of the Catholic Church and Catholic theology, is presented to foreign students by the Cardinal Bea Center for Judaic Studies at the Gregorian University. 
The university's ecumenical studies  are based on a false interpretation of Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II.It no where, in its entire text, contradicts the past ecclesiology and ecumenism of return.
This is all deception and heresy and it is official.-Lionel Andrades

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 JULY 10, 2019

If the SSPX bishops and priests are excommunicated they would simply have to respond like any normal Catholic and say they refuse to interpret Vatican Council II with the red passages being exceptions to the blue passages. The red passages are not exceptions to the blue passages for them and the CDF has made an objective mistake.

If the SSPX bishops and priests are excommunicated they would simply have to respond like any normal Catholic and say they refuse to interpret Vatican Council II with the red passages being exceptions to the blue passages.

The red passages are not exceptions to the blue passages for them and the CDF has made an objective mistake.

-Lionel Andrades

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MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS CAN BE INTERPRETED WITH 1)THE RED PASSAGES BEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES OR WITH 2)THE RED PASSAGES NOT BEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES.THE LATTER(2) IS RATIONAL.

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

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Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)

Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

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 Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

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Dignitatis Humane 1, Vatican Council II

First, the council professes its belief that God Himself has made known to mankind the way in which men are to serve Him, and thus be saved in Christ and come to blessedness. We believe that this one true religion subsists in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus committed the duty of spreading it abroad among all men. Thus He spoke to the Apostles: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have enjoined upon you" (Matt. 28: 19-20). On their part, all men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and His Church, and to embrace the truth they come to know, and to hold fast to it.

This Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power.

Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ.-Dignitatis Humane 1, Vatican Council II

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 Catechism of the Catholic Church

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  

846

 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

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 DOMINUS IESUS 

IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

16.  The Lord Jesus, the only Saviour, did not only establish a simple community of disciples, but constituted the Church as a salvific mystery: he himself is in the Church and the Church is in him (cf. Jn 15:1ff.; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:15-16; Acts9:5).  Therefore, the fullness of Christ's salvific mystery belongs also to the Church, inseparably united to her Lord. Indeed, Jesus Christ continues his presence and his work of salvation in the Church and by means of the Church (cf.Col 1:24-27),⁴⁷ which is his body (cf. 1 Cor 12:12-13, 27; Col 1:18).⁴⁸ And thus, just as the head and members of a living body, though not identical, are inseparable, so too Christ and the Church can neither be confused nor separated, and constitute a single “whole Christ”.⁴⁹ This same inseparability is also expressed in the New Testament by the analogy of the Church as the Bride of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-29; Rev 21:2,9).⁵⁰

Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must befirmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.⁵¹ Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn 16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking.⁵²

The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession⁵³ — between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth' (1 Tim 3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.⁵⁴  With the expression subsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,⁵⁵ that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.⁵⁶ But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”

-Dominus Iesus 16. 

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LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII

( This letter was  an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)

 We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to bebelieved as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).

Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there  is no salvation outside the Church.

However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...

Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless  refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

Not only did the Savior command that all nations should  enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.

In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic

necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).

  Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.

However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

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SEPTEMBER 25, 2019

Jesuit Gregorian university does not inform foreign students about Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/jesuit-gregorian-university-not.html

SEPTEMBER 25, 2019

The theology of religions banned by Pope John Paul II(CDF,Notification, Dupuis, 2001) is being taught by Fr. Bryan Lobo sj, at the Department of Missiology of the Pontifical University Gregorian. He also interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise and inference to intentionally create a rupture with the past exclusivist ecclesiology and Tradition

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-theology-of-religions-which-was.html

https://www.unigre.it/en/ua/faculties/theology/departments/dogmatic-theology/

https://www.koinexpo.com/eventi/programma-completo-2019/i-relatori/e11958780/don-dario-vitali.html

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Repost : Fr.Marco Hausmann confirms: there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire

JANUARY 11, 2015

Fr.Marco Hausmann  confirms: there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire

I met Fr.Marco Hausmann briefly this morning and he confirmed that he still believes that we cannot physically see people saved with the baptism of desire etc and there are no such cases in 2015.

He also laughed when I asked him this question again. A few Sundays back he agreed that there were no known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra eclesiam nulla salus.We do not know of anyone who is an exception or will be an exception. This is known only to God.

(Photo: Fr.Marco Hausmann with lay members of the Militia Christi)

I have to keep asking this question,"Can we see the dead- saved, are they physically visible to us" since an error was made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center .He criticized them for not accepting the baptism of desire etc as an exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.Since then most Catholics believe that the dead saved as such are physically visible to us , for them to be exceptions to the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma.They would have to be visible and known tobe exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.

Last week a Brazilian priest also confirmed that there are no known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known over the centuries. Another Brazilian priest who offered Mass in Italian a few years back said the same thing.So have other priests in Rome who offer the Novus Ordo Mass.They say the baptism of desire is not an exception to the traditional Feeneyite version of no salvation outside the Church.They have responded to the two questions I have asked them.

The same two questions answered by them are not being responded to by the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and some cardinals here.

In  other words, the priests are saying that there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the dogma. Vatican Council II is traditional on other religions and Christian communities. Since LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc would refer to only possibilities which would be followed with the baptism of water since this is de fide. Every one defacto needs the baptism of water for salvation. There is nothing referred to in Vatican Council II which would  be a known exception to the interpretation of the Church Councils. popes,saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney.

-Lionel Andrades

There are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not defacto exceptions-Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/there-are-no-exceptions-to-dogma-extra.html

There are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The baptism of desire is not a defacto exception says a Brazilian priest today

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/there-are-no-exceptions-to-dogma-extra.html

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-confirms-there.html

Repost : Fr.Marco Hausmann indicates that the Letter of the Holy Office and the International Theological Commission have made a factual mistake

 MAY 31, 2015

Fr.Marco Hausmann indicates that the Letter of the Holy Office and the International Theological Commission have made a factual mistake

Physically we cannot see people in the present times saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water said Fr.Marco Hausmann .I was talking with him about an hour back.

He agreed that these cases were only known to God.

So if any one infers that we can physically see these persons, that they are personally known in the present times, it would be wrong ? I asked . He said "Yes."

This is a very important issue.I was not discussing baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance in the usual theological way it is discussed. I was referring to literal cases.Literally we cannot see persons in Heaven. They are known only to God.

So literally, physically these cases cannot be known to us on earth.If any one implies that it is possible to know these cases, or that it is common, it would be a falsehood.

I was not talking theology. Fr.Marco gave a common sense answer.It was based on common knowledge that he said that we cannot see people in Heaven, physically.

This is an important issue in the Catholic Church since popes, cardinals, bishops and priests infer that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. To be an exception these cases would have to be known physically, personally in the present times.

The dogma says all need to be formal members of the Church for salvation, all need to convert into the Catholic Church with faith and baptism to avoid Hell and to go to Heaven.So if these cases are really exceptions to the dogma then it means that we know who they are in the present times.It means that they are personally known to us to be exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell.

Only if they are personally known, if they exist in our reality can they be exceptions to all needing faith and baptism today to go to Heaven.

Fr.Marco Hausmann confirms that there is no  such case in our reality. He is really saying the obvious. He may not know it but he will be contradicting the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The CDF has approved a mistake.

Here is Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J the present Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith implying that these cases are physically visible to us in the present times. I quote passages from the International Theological Commission's Christianity and the World Religions.The sub- heading is extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The then Fr.Luiz Ladaria S. J was the president of the ITC and approved  this paper. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger over saw it.

International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions

66. In his encyclical Mystici Corporis, Pius XII addresses the question, How are those who attain salvation outside visible communion with the Church related to her? He says that they are oriented to the mystical body of Christ by a yearning and desire of which they are not aware (DS 3821).1

Lionel:

Note he is writing this in the context of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.When 'those who attain salvation outside visible communion with the Church' are not physically visible to us how can they be related to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? When they are not personally known to us how can they be relevant to the dogma. What are the names and surnames of these people outside the Church who are saved ? Cardinal Ladaria  assumes that these cases are known to us in the present times.For him they are relevant to the dogma.

The opposition of the American Jesuit Leonard Feeney, who insisted on the exclusivist interpretation of the expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus , afforded the occasion for the letter of the Holy Office, dated 8 August ,1949, to the archbishop of Boston, which rejected Feeney s interpretation and clarified the teaching of Pius XII.

Lionel:

He confirms here that he assumes that these cases are physically visible  and known to us. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made this objective mistake. It originally assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were exceptions to the traditional Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma.It had nothing to do with the dogma.

The letter distinguishes between the necessity of belonging to the Church for salvation (necessitas praecepti) and the necessity of the indispensable means of salvation (intrinseca necessitas); in relationship to the latter, the Church is a general help for salvation (DS 3867—69).

Lionel:

What has this to do with the Feeneyite version of the dogma? We do not know who these cases are says Fr.Marco.

Cardinal Ladaria makes the connection. So for him these cases would be visible in the present times, even though they are in Heaven?! This is an objective error.

In the case of invincible ignorance the implicit desire of belonging to the Church suffices; this desire will always be present when a man aspires to conform his will to that of God (DS 3870). But faith, in the sense of Hebrews 11:6, and love are always necessary with intrinsic necessity (DS 3872).

Lionel:

Again what has this to do with the dogma. These are hypothetical cases for us. Speculation. Well meaning and acceptable.

Cardinal Ladaria links it to the dogma. They would have to be physically seen in the present times to be relevant to the dogma. So how can these  cases be exceptions to all formally needing to convert into the Church in the present times?How can hypothethical cases be de facto exceptions in the present times?

67. Vatican Council II makes its own the expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 

Lionel:

It depends on the interpretation. If one assumes there are visible apparitions then Vatican Council becomes a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the rest of Tradition.

If there are no apparitions seen in the present times, there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the dogma.

But in using it the council explicitly directs itself to Catholics and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation. 

Lionel:

Apparition theology! It is assumed that those who are saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma, since these cases are personally known and physically visible to us humans.Then it is concluded that  only those who 'know', i.e who are not in invincible ignorance are culpable.This is the new theology.

This is also a new doctrine on salvation based on being able to see people in Heaven saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, who are exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church.First there is the false premise and then there is the wrong inference.

The error of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 is incorporated in Vatican Council II. This is the new doctrine based on an irrationality that Cardinal Ladaria accepts and uses  to refute the traditional interpretation of the dogma, which says all need to convert with no exceptions.

He is using the Marchetti-Cushing Addition to contradict an orthodox teaching on salvation.

The council holds that the affirmation is based on the necessity of faith and of baptism affirmed by Christ (LG 14).

Lionel:

The Council says all need faith and baptism for salvation. This is the orthodox passage in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14-but he really has refuted it with the Marchetti-Cushing Addition i.e there are known exceptions.

For hims there are personally known cases in the present times who are saved without 'faith and baptism' and who are saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.This contradicts the necessity of faith and baptism affirmed by Christ.

In fact  his error contradicts Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7,which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.

 In this way the council aligned itself in continuity with the teaching of Pius XII, but emphasized more clearly the original parenthentical character of this expression.

Lionel:

Being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not known to us in the present times says Fr.Marco Hausmann. So they  do not contradict the traditional Feeneyite version of the dogma.This was a mistake of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949, says there are exceptions to the dogma.It infers that these cases are physically visible and known to us to be exceptions.How can people in Heaven be exceptions on earth? This is an elementary error.

I did not speak with Fr.Marco Hausmann about the International Theological Commission error. I only asked him if a pope, cardinal, bishop or priest infers that physically there are known cases of persons now in Heaven saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire, would it not be wrong.?He answered "Yes".

His answer indicates that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and the International Theological Commission which cites the Letter, have made a factual mistake.

-Lionel Andrades

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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

Fr.Marco Hausmann  in Rome says there are no exceptions while the Vicariate is teaching young lay Catholics that there are exceptions

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-in-rome-says.html

Fr.Marco Hausmann , Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-frp-stefano.html

Fr.Marco Hausmann removed by bishop : no more offers the Traditional Latin Mass for Militia Christi in Rome

Fr. Marco Hausmann in a response to a question a few years back said that there are no personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. There are none personally known to him in the present times (2015-19).He has been removed from the church Sant Giuseppe a Capo le Case where he would offer the Traditional Latin Mass.I went to his residence an hour back but he did not want to comment.The Latin Mass was offered today morning by another priest, for the Militia Christi.Most of the regular members were not present and some of the new faces were possibly friends of the new priest.
Fr. Hausmann was saying that he personally did not know any one saved outside the Church in 2019 as referenced in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.This means the common false interpretation of Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition, especially the old ecclesiology, has been made obsolete. It is done away with.
The interpretation of Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and the Left no more holds water.
I reported on Sept 23, 2019 Fr. Marco Hausmann in a response to a question a few years back said that there are no personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. There are none personally known to him in the present times (2015-19).

Fr.Marco was not present on Sept 20 at Porta Pia when the Militia Christi paid homage to the soldiers who died defending the pope.He has been the Spiritual Director of the Militia Christi who have been opposing the Gay Pride marches and the LGBT in Italy.Many of their activists were not present at the Mass in Latin today morning.

On July 30 it was reported on this blog that 'last Sunday there was no Mass in Latin at 11.30 a.m at the church San Giuseppe a Capo le Case, in central Rome, for the Militia Christi. The last Sunday  morning Mass for July, before the August holidays when the church will remain closed,  was held at 10.30 a.m in Italian.

Fr. Marco Hausmann was not allowed to offer the Latin Mass for members of the Militia Christi'

Liberal Mons.Gian Rico Ruzza the bishop of central Rome and Secretary General of the Rome Vicariate has removed the priest from the church Sant Giuseppe a Capo le Case.

-Lionel Andrades