How can Pope Francis and the bishop of Frosinone who both interpret Vatican Council II, by using a False Premise, excommunicate a Catholic community, any community, on the issue of doctrine?

 

How can Pope Francis and the bishop of Frosinone excommunicate, any Catholic community, on the issue of doctrine? They both are choosing a Fake Premise to change traditional Catholic doctrine. This is a mortal sin of faith. They need to end the scandal.

Anyone who interprets Vatican Council II irrationally is changing the Creeds. Since the False Premise and Inference, creates new doctrins.When they are used in the interpretation of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, there is a new doctrine on salvation. The False Premise creates alleged objective exceptions for the Nicene Creed’s, ‘ I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins’. 

With the False Premise the Nicene Creed is changed to, “ I believe in three or more known and visible baptisms, people seen saved without faith and the baptism of water and instead are saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc”. One visible baptism, the baptism of water, is changed into three or more known baptisms.This is a new doctrine.

So officially there are exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).It is now : outside the Catholic Church there is known salvation. This is a new doctrine. So the liberals and Masons can have a New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology etc. The Church no more teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation. The Church now is Christocentric and no more ecclesiocentric. Everyone does not need to be a member of the Church for salvation, as it was taught by the missionaries in the 16^th century.This is new doctrine.

This big change comes only when LG 8, !4, and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are confused as visible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in the present times (1965-2023). Then there are exceptions for EENS.

But there is no change in doctrine today, if LG 8 etc are simply seen as invisible cases. They are not practical exceptions for the dogma EENS and Tradition. So the Church is still Christocentric and also Ecclesiocentric. Even today (2023) everyone needs to be a member of the Catholic Church with faith and baptism ( Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14, CCC 846 etc) to avoid Hell and go to Heaven. There is no change in doctrine.

There is no change in doctrine, I repeat, when LG 8 etc are seen as being only hypothetical.

This is a discovery.

With one simple step the Catholic Church today returns to the old doctrines.

So when Pope Francis and the bishop of Frosinone choose to interpret Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise it is a mortal sin of faith. This is all public.

The meaning of the Creeds cannot be changed.

On this point there is no denial from the Vatican and the bishop of Frosinone in his interview with journalists, including David Murgia.

According to Canon Law the bishop of Frosinone is expected to be a Catholic and to affirm Catholic teachings in public.

He is expected to affirm the Nicene Creed in its original understanding. He is not allowed to change its meaning with a Fake Premise (invisible people are visible in 2023), for political reasons. It is the same with the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed. The bishop and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) must affirm them.

They don’t.

The bishop of Frosinone and the CDF choose the Fake Premise.

The Fake Premise creates new doctrines. This is the stuff of excommunication.

Pope Francis has not lifted the excommunication of the Gallinero community.The CDF has not announced what are the specific doctrinal charges against the La Nuova Gerusalemme (LNG), and what must they do to have the excommunication lifted.The CDF cannot announce it. Since the CDF chooses the False Premise and now it is public.The CDF's doctrines are political-Left.

Meanwhile the Catholic Charismatic Renewal office (CHARIS), which has been officially approved by Pope Francis, allows the LNG Charismatic groups to function in the Catholic churches in Italy.

- Lionel Andrades

https://www.lanuovagerusalemme.it/

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There is no statement being issued from Albano or Econe on Vatican Council II, being interpreted rationally or irrationally with two radically different conclusions

 

There is a problem at the SSPX chapel in Rome. No priest is coming forward and affirming the Catholic Faith, or at least, clarifying what they believe. There is no statement being issued from Albano or Econe on Vatican Council II, being interpreted rationally or irrationally with two radically different conclusions.

There is also no lay spokesperson for the community in Rome.- Lionel Andrades

Roberto Fiore and the Forza Nuova members are forced to choose between the ADL and the Holy Spirit

 The political party Forza Nuova (FN) accepts the Jewish Left standards set for Italians . FN members accept the law regarding the Holocaust etc. So they also have to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. This is approved by the ADL etc.

On Sunday morning Roberto Fiore and his wonderful family were there for the Latin Mass at the SSPX chapel in Rome. They  follow the Jewish Left interpretation of Vatican Council II. Even the SSPX Superior General and bishops, interpret Vatican Council II with the Irrational Premise, just like the popes from Paul VI to Francis.

They are meeting standards welcomed by the Vatican-Israel Consortium.

The problem arises when lay Catholics choose to interpret the Council rationally. Even the Catechisms can be interpreted rationally- all of them. Then there is no artificial rupture with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.This would not be approved by the Left.

The ADL did not approve of Bishop Williamson’s position on the Holocaust and so told the pope to excommunicate him. Technically, this was not a Catholic moral issue.The other SSPX bishops accept the Holocause figure. But it is now a political issue. Even Forza Nuova members accept the Holocaust figure set by the ADL.But what happens if a bishop does not interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition? If the Council is interpreted rationally and so in harmony, and not a break, with Tradition, will the bishop be expelled?Yes. Even a priest will be expelled if he interprets Vatican Council II rationally. For then he would be saying that there are no exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, in the text of Vatican Council II. He will be cancelled.

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider avoid being cancelled. So they do not support Brother Andre Marie micm, who interprets Vatican Council II, the baptism of desire, being saved in invincible ignorance and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus rationally.

It is Cardinal Luiz Ladaria and Archbishop di Noia who are interpreting LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc irrationally to produce a false break with the dogma EENS and the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.

Forza Nuova members are also politically correct on Vatican Council II, irrespective if they go for Mass in Latin or Italian. Like the SSPX bishops, and the bishops in the main line Church, they do not interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise.Otherwise, they would be affirming EENS like the missionaries in the 16^th century.

Roberto Fiore and the Forza Nuova members are forced to choose between the ADL and the Holy Spirit. - Lionel Andrades

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