In the Bible the Gospel of John says that every one needs to believe in Jesus to go to Heaven and there is no other way. For us Catholics the norm is believing in Jesus in the Catholic Church.
Jesus says:
11] Amen, amen I say to thee, that we speak what we know, and we testify what we have seen, and you receive not our testimony. [12] If I have spoken to you earthly things, and you believe not; how will you believe, if I shall speak to you heavenly things? [13] And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven. [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up: [15] That whosoever believeth in him, may not perish; but may have life everlasting.John 3:11-15 Douy Rheims Bible
Jesus tells us in John 3:5 that all need the baptism of water for salvation. In Mark 16:16 he tells us that God the Father has chosen His Son as the only way of salvation.Those who do not believe in Jesus within the Catholic community; the Catholic Church,will be condemned.Jesus says those who deny Him he will deny before the Father in Heaven.(Matt.10:37)
So membership in the Catholic Church with faith and baptism is necessary for all.It is necessary to avoid the fires of Hell, according to the Bible.1
[16] For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him.[18] He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19]And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil. [20] For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.John 3:16-20
So when we meet non Catholics we know that they are Hell-bound.Since they will die without the ordinary means of salvation,which is faith and baptism.2
[26] For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself: [27] And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is the Son of man. [28] Wonder not at this; for the hour cometh, wherein all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God. [29] And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. [30] I cannot of myself do any thing. As I hear, so I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.John 5:26-30
There are no known exceptions to the ordinary means of salvation. The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).They are not practical exceptions to the ordinary means of salvation.We cannot meet or see any one saved outside the Church.God made it this way.3
We cannot know of any one who will be saved who does not believe in Jesus and we know the ordinary means of salvation for Catholics is faith in Jesus in the Catholic Church.
So it is necessary that everyone become Catholic to avoid Hell. Jesus founded only one Church, the Catholic Church.
The Bible is Catholic. The Catholic Church chose the inspired manuscripts which form the Bible. The liturgy of Christians comes from the Catholic Church at the time of King Constantine the Great.The Holy Trinity is a dogma of a Catholic Church Council. 4
[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.[59] This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. [60] These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.John 6:56-60
The Eucharist at Mass is necessarty for salvation. All need the Saraments of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
And he said to them: You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world.[24] Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. [25] They said therefore to him: Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The beginning, who also speak unto you.John 8:23.25
The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion.Catholics are the new people of God,the Chosen People ( Nostra Aetate 4, Vatican Council II). They have the Sacrifice in the Mass, they have the Messiah promised by the Jewish prophets. They have the Ark of the Covenant in the Eucharist placed in a tabernacle. They have the Sacred Scriptures which include the Old Testament and the Jewish Pentateuch.They have an eternal covenant made with the Death and Resurrection of Jesus. It was a fulfillment of the old covenants Yahweh made with the Jews. Catholics have the temple, the church, where the one and only Sacrifice of Jesus is re-enacted in an un-bloody way, at Holy Mass.
In Heaven there are only Catholics.They are there with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water(AG 7).
Jesus died for all. Salvation is open to all in potential but to receive this salvation all need to be members of the Catholic Church ( Dominus Iesus n.20,Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Notification, Dupuis, 2002).
The Catholic Church is the Ark of Noah that saves in the flood (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) 845).God wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church(CCC 845).
We cannot separate Jesus from the Church(Dominus Iesus).The Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus the Bible tells us.
We cannot have a kerygma without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church.In Evangelii Gaudium (Joy of the Gospel) Pope Francis presented the kerygmawithout the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church. This was a rupture with Catholic Tradition.
Jesus died and is risen to save all from Hell. Those who believe in Him and live his teachings in the Catholic Church, will be saved from the fires of Hell.Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.Three Church Councils in Catholic history called it extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is also the message in Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which calls us to proclaim it to the peoples.It says all need faith and baptism for salvation and not just those who know about Jesus and the Church.
Jesus in the Catholic Church is the narrow gate (Matt.7:13),the pearl of great price (Matt.13:45-46), the man who found a treasure in the field and sold all to have it (Matt:13:44-46). 5
[31] Then Jesus said to those Jews, who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed.
[32] And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33] They answered him: We are the seed of Abraham, and we have never been slaves to any man: how sayest thou: you shall be free?
[34] Jesus answered them: Amen, amen I say unto you: that whosoever committeth sin, is the servant of sin.
[35] Now the servant abideth not in the house for ever; but the son abideth for ever.
[36] If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.John 8: 31-36
The Good News is that all who believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Promised Messiah who will come again, will have eternal life in Heaven. They must believe that Jesus Died and is Risen and with his Sacrifice took He away our sins. They must live the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church on faith and morals.The Catholic Church has a perennial Magisterium inspired by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.(Heb.13:8) 6
[42] Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me:
[43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word.
[44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
[45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not.John 8: 42-45
"Saul, Saul why do you persecute me", Jesus said identifying Himself with the Church(Acts.9:4).So we cannot have faith in Christ ( Christology) without membership in the Catholic Church( ecclesiocentric ecclesiology).
[7] Jesus therefore said to them again: Amen, amen I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
[8] All others, as many as have come, are thieves and robbers: and the sheep heard them not.
[9] I am the door. By me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved: and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures.
[10] The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I am come that they may have life, and may have it more abundantly. John 10: 7-10
[16] And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.John 10:16
There could be people in other religions who are to be saved and they would be known only to Jesus.We cannot know of any one in another religion who will be saved without following Jesus in the Catholic Church.
[6] Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me-John 14:6
So every one needs to believe in Jesus in the only Church he founded.God has chosen to restrict salvation to only membership the Catholic Church, just as he has chosen only women to have babies, water to fall downwards and men to marry only women.
The dogma outside the Church there is no salvation (extra ecclesiam nulla salus )reflects the supernatural truth as God sees it.This is taught by the Holy Spirit through the Catholic Church.
[6] If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth. John 15:6
Non Christians do not abide in Jesus.They are outside the Church and are on the way to Hell.They are not baptised with water(John 3:5) and neither do they have Catholic faith. They will be condemned at the time of death according to the Bible.
Non Catholic Christians who believe in Jesus and then die suddenly can be saved and it would be known only to God.As St. Paul told the Phillipian jailer (Acts 16.25:40)that all he had to do was to believe in Jesus and he would be saved. This is true. However the jailer and his household would have to be later baptised with water. They would then be taught the Faith which they would have to live. That faith which they would be taught for salvation, is the Catholic Faith.
So in general every one needs to be Catholic for salvation. If someone who is not Catholic is saved at the last moment before death, if someone who is not Catholic repents and is saved or receives the baptism of water in another Christian community and is saved or is in invincible ignorance and God sends a preacher to him and he is saved this would only be known to God.They are not exceptions to the general norm which is Catholic faith with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.- Lionel Andrades
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DECEMBER 17, 2018
The Church is Necessary
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-church-is-necessary.html
2.Ibid
3. ibid
4.Ibid
5.Ibid
6.Ibid
7.Ibid
DECEMBER 29, 2017
Only the Catholic Church - 1 -12
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/only-catholic-church-1-12.html
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Mission needed without rejecting Vatican Council II like the trads and sedes neither accepting the Council with an irrational premise like the liberals and two popes
In today's Gospel Reading Jesus said that he must go 'to the other towns' and 'proclaim the good news of the Kingdom of God' which cannot be separated from Him and the Early Church and it was 'because for this purpose' he was sent' and so he was 'preaching in the synagogues of Judea'.
In the First Reading Paul says 'Of this you have already heard through the word of truth, the Gospel, that has come to you.
Just as in the whole world it is bearing fruit and growing,so also among you, from the day you heard it and came to know the grace of God in truth, as you learned it from Epaphras our beloved fellow slave,who is a trustworthy minister of Christ on your behalf and who also told us of your love in the Spirit.'
Paul in Mission knew that Jesus died for everyone but to receieve this salvation every one needed to be baptised with water in the Early Church,the first Christian communities, the first Catholic communities, outside of which there was no salvation.
The baptism of water in the Catholic Church is still needed today for going to Heaven, even though religious do not teach it.
When false doctrines are being taught in the Parish lay Catholics must correct their Parish Priest and Bishop and tell them 1) there are no personally known cases in 2017 of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I).We do not know any one saved outside the Church with BOD, BOB or I.I over the last 50 or more years.Similarly 2) there are no visible cases in 2017 of saved outside the Church with invincible ignorance(LG 16), elements of sanctification truth in other religions(LG 8), imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11) etc.
Tell the priest not to teach false doctrines with a false theology and that you accept all the doctrines of the Church but interpret them with a theology which does not use the false premise of invisible people being visible in the present times.Invisible people are not visible, tell him.
Tell him we love every one, Jesus loves every one,he has no favourites, salvation in potential is open to all, but to receive this great gift we must accept Jesus within the Catholic Church and live the traditional faith and moral teachings of the Church even if popes, cardinals and bishops have rejected them.
There can be lay outreach progams and mision to non Catholics based on the past understanding of salvation which is not contradicted by Vatican Council II or the media's reporting of the Fr.Leonard Feeney case.
However, presently, we lay people are on our own.We have the traditional teachings of the saints and popes, to interpret the Bible.So Jesus is still the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow even if now a new politically approved theology is taught at Catechism classes which begin in a few weeks.
Remember, unlike in the parishes you can proclaim the Faith and do Mission with the traditional teachings of the saints and popes and without rejecting Vatican Council II, as the traditionalists and sedevacantists have done and neither accepting Vatican Council II with the false premise like the liberals and the two popes.
Invite people to come into the Church and to read the Catholic( Christian)classics, the traditional Catholic literature even if one or both of the present popes, for you, are anti-popes, heretics, schismatics,dissidents etc.It is true that they are taking orders, receiving instructions from the Masons and the rest of the Jewish Left.So our concept of Mission would be different from that of the Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome where you can get a good Zionist Catholic academic degree.
The Catholic Church is the only Church Jesus founded outside of which there is no salvation and which has given the world the Bible which is used by all Christian denominations.The concept of the Trinity and the foundation for the world's scientific development also comes from the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades
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The point is, you can't mentally affirm one thing but act in a manner contrary to it for forty years. You can't affirm the Great Commission is still a mandate while acting as if there is no particular class of people who actually need Christ and His Church. You cannot say the Great Commission applies to persons individually but not to the Church collectively (related: "The Great Commission is Institutional"). To purport to be able to do so is the worst form of Doublespeak, which the human mind cannot long endure. This is why, given a disconnect between what is taught and what is actually happening "on the ground", the praxis becomes dominant and the teaching fades into the background - not forgotten, but kind of ignored, as the woman noted about Purgatory...-Boniface, Unam Sanctam Catholicam
http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.it/
Lionel:
The point is, you can't mentally affirm one thing but act in a manner contrary to it for forty years.
Yes we cannot affirm mentally that the catechumen who desires the baptism of water, died before receiving it, went to Heaven is a known case. We cannot act as if this imaginery personal is a known case in the past or present.This is what Boniface and the other traditionalist do.This is how they act. They express it in their writings and their talks.
We cannot say the popes and saints mentioned the baptism of desire and also not say that none of them said that these cases were explicit and objective.The popes and saints knew that these cases were hypothetical. This has to be said too.l It is common sense that they are hypothetical cases.Yet Boniface and the traditionalists do not do so. So there are exceptions to the Great Commission in their words and actions. There are exceptions also to all needing the baptism of water for salvation according to the Bible ( John 2:5).
Boniface and the traditionalists affirm one thing( Great Commission and need to enter the Church) but act in a manner contrary ( there are theological exceptions to the Great Commission).
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You can't affirm the Great Commission is still a mandate while acting as if there is no particular class of people who actually need Christ and His Church.
Lionel: This is precisely what is done by Boniface, Chris Ferrara, John Vennari, John Salza and Robert Siscoe, Louie Verrecchio and the sedevacantists Fr. Anthony Cekada and Bishop Donald Sanborn.This is also the position of the conservatives Ralph Martin, Dr. Robert Fastiggi, Michael Voris...
Theologically there are people for all of them, who do not need Christ.Since there is salvation outside the Church. There is salvation outside the Church since the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to physically known cases instead of invisible persons in our reality. Since these hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical they are projected as exceptions to the old ecclesiology based on the dogma EENS.This is the liberal interpretation of EENS. This is also the hermenutic for Vatican Council II approved by the liberals and the contemporary magisterium. It is all accepted by Boniface and the 'liberal traditionalists' who attend only the Traditional Latin Mass.
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Lionel: Yes the Great Commission should be institutional, as in past centuries, but the contempoary magisterium interprets being saved in BOD and I.l as exceptions to the traditional Feeneyite interpretation of EENS.So the Church today has rejected the old ecclesiology. There are exceptions to the old teachings on ecumenism and salvation for non Christians.With the new theology, accepted by Boniface, there are exceptions to all needing to enter the Church. So there must also be exceptions to the Great Commission.
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To purport to be able to do so is the worst form of Doublespeak, which the human mind cannot long endure.
Lionel: Yes this is double speak.This is also the double speak of the SSPX and the sedevacantists. Their new theology says every one needs to enter the Church but some do not. We also can see the double speak in the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 1257). It says all need the baptism of water for salvation( defacto) but some do not.Why? Since God is not limited to the Sacraments.But God is not limited to the Sacraments is hypothetical. It is not defacto known in personal cases. However the confusion between what is visible and invisible, objective and hypothetical,explicit and implicit, is useful for double speak. Even the traditionalists and sedevacantists are supporting this confusion.They use this doublespeak.
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This is why, given a disconnect between what is taught and what is actually happening "on the ground", the praxis becomes dominant and the teaching fades into the background - not forgotten, but kind of ignored, as the woman noted about Purgatory...-Boniface, Unam Sanctam Catholicam
Lionel: The praxis is in line with the irrational theology. The praxis reflects the new theology based on known cases of BOD and I.I as was postulated in the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The Letter used a false premise to create a new conclusion and the Church accepted it.Even Archbishop Lefebvre accepted it.
The traditionalists are proud to say that they are not Feeneyites. Like wise with the liberals.
The traditionalists have the same position on Vatican Council II as the liberals, even though there is a choice available i.e Vatican Council II with LG 16,LG 8 etc not being explicit and so not being exceptions to the old ecclesiology.
Instead Boniface and the tradtionalists have the same liberal position on the dogma EENS(Cushingite) which is politically correct with the Left and is a rupture with pre-Council of Trent understanding of EENS.
-Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 9, 2019
It is Vatican Council II which is part of the seismic shift. It has changed before our very eyes ( Graphics )https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/it-is-vatican-council-ii-which-is-part.html
FEBRUARY 9, 2019The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council IIhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-new.html
FEBRUARY 5, 2019Catholic media does not say that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salushttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/catholic-media-does-not-say-that.html
FEBRUARY 4, 2019
Bishop Peter Libasci and the CDF will not place Brother Andre Marie's Letter Explaining Saint Benedict Center’s Doctrinal Stance on the diocese websitehttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/bishop-peter-libasci-and-cdf-will-not.html
FEBRUARY 3, 2019
Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Joseph Augustine di Noia, Secretary and Adjunct Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrince of the Faith, Vatican are reading the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the red passages being an exception to the blue passages. This is irrational, non traditional and heretical
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/archbishops-giacomo-morandi-and-joseph.html
JANUARY 26, 2019
The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : CDF makes a mistakehttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-catechism-of-catholic-church.html
The Social Reign of Christ the King can be proclaimed based on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church which affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-social-reign-of-christ-king-can-be.html
ANUARY 23, 2019
The rational approach, the only approach, is that CCC 846 affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and there are no practical exceptions mentioned in CCC 846 or the rest of the Catechismhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-rational-approach-only-approach-is.html
JANUARY 22, 2019 
Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) affirms the strict and traditional interpretation of EENS defined by three Church Councils in the Extraordinary Magisterium https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/catechism-of-catholic-church-n846.html
JANUARY 19, 2019
Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : CDF, Diocese of Manchester irrational and heretical https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/vatican-council-ii-and-catechism-of.html
JANUARY 18, 2019
Outside the Church there is no salvation in the Catechism( N.846) affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/outside-church-there-is-no-salvation-in.html
JANUARY 16, 2019Catechism of the Catholic Church and Dominus Iesus 'constitutive of Catholic teaching ' do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS : the CDF made an objective errorhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/catechism-of-catholic-church-and.html
Why should the St. Benedict Center be obedient to public heresy,schism and sacrilege from the CDF and the Diocese of Manchester ?
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-should-st-benedict-center-be.html
Diocesan of Manchester needs to clarify its doctrinal position for Catholicshttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/diocesan-of-manchester-needs-to-clarify.html
The Diocese of Manchester's Decree-Precepts-St.Benedict Center, issued by the Episcopal Vicar for Canonical Affairs is based on false reasoning https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-diocese-of-manchesters-decree.html
JANUARY 11, 2019The CDF wants Catholic religious communities and lay movements to accept heresy and sacrilege otherwise canonical prohibitions will be placed upon themhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-cdf-wants-catholic-religious.html
JANUARY 10, 2019Brother Andre Marie MICM affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus based on Vatican Council II : query from the CDFhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/broandre-marie-affirms-extra-ecclesiam.html
JANUARY 8, 2019
St.Robert Bellarmine was a Feeneyite and so was St. Thomas Aquinas.So is Vatican Council IIhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/strobert-bellarmine-was-feeneyite-and.html
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