Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi agree we cannot identify any exceptions to EENS and there are no visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I but they will not comment on the salvation of non Catholics in Detroit

I wrote a piece on Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi, theologians at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA still having difficulty in interpreting magisterial documents with Feeneyism instead of their politically correct Cushingism.

I keep saying that invisible people cannot be visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and they seem to understand me.This is basic philosophical reasoning.We cannot see someone who is not there.In general we humans do not have this ability.So the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) 1949 made an objective mistake. 

They cite the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) which the liberal theologians placed in the Denzinger and referenced in Vatican Council II.

O.K. So they made a mistake in LOHO and Vatican Council II. Invisible people are still invisible.It was an objective error in LOHO. It assumes unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible exceptions to EENS.
The popes, cardinals and bishops accept LOHO. So they they also make a mistake. Even a pope can violate the Principle of Non Contradiction.

The Magisterium cannot make a mistake and so the ecclesiastics were not magisterial on this issue.The Holy Spirit cannot teach Catholics that BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible people. Or that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known people saved outside the Church over the last 50 years.

In real life there are no visible exceptions to EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.This is something obvious  and Martin and Fastiggi agree.But they understand the implications and are not commenting any further.They are unable to say that there are no practical exceptions to the past exclusivist understanding of salvation.There are no practical exceptions to an ecumenism of return. There are no practical exceptions in 2019 to Feeneyite EENS.

This could be a possible threat to their teaching job in Detroit.A Feeneyite on Vatican Council II and EENS may not be given permission to teach theology.The Archdiocese of Detroit like the present two popes, violates the Principle of Non Contradiction when they suggest unknown people are also visible examples of salvation in Heaven.So there is known salvation outside the Church in this way for them.Luther will be saved. The Muslims will be saved in Abu Dhabi without converting into the Catholic Church. The non Catholics in general in the Amazon will be saved and so there is no need for mission there.

Based upon the invisible people are visible and unknown non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church are known- irrationality there is inter religious dialogue in the Archdiocese of Detroit.It would also be part of Ralph Martin's ecumenism in the Charismatic Renewal Movement.

Robert Fastiggi cites Ludwig Otts Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma.But Ott accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which was Cushingite. Invisible people were visible for Ott. People in Heaven were visible on earth was the LOHO reasoning and Ott did not contest it.It was only in this way the liberals could create a break with Tradition and Ott overlooked it just like Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton, Fr. William Most and Fr. John Hardon.

I e-mailed Ralph Marin and Robert Fastiggi the following on August 5,2019 :-

Since we agree that we cannot identify any exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and there are no visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I),outside or within the Church, are you saying that in general, all non Catholics on earth in 2019 are oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) and they need to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church for salvation?

Since for me there are no exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation, Vatican Council II is saying that ll need to formally enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism to avoid Hell ( for salvation). Would it be the same for you ?

Similarly since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 2 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases, we cannot identify such cases on earth; they are not real people in the present times,there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS ?

Then would you say that Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct and the Holy Office 1949 was wrong in the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO), since LOHO assumed BOD, BOB and I.I were exceptions to Feeneyite EENS and criticized Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center in the text of the Letter?

I am still waiting for their response.-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 3, 2019

The Holy Spirit still guides Ralph Martin to say invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are physically visible exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology,an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)? This is false. How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-holy-spirit-still-guides-ralph.html

JULY 22, 2019

Ralph Martin and Scott Hahn

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/ralph-martin-and-scott-hahn.html

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JULY 24, 2017

Joint statement on Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite ) needed from Bishop Donald Sanborn and Prof. Robert Fastiggi and Ralph Martin https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/07/joint-statement-on-vatican-council-ii.html 

NOVEMBER 13, 2018

Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi, have to support heresy and sacrilege, to keep their teaching job https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/ralph-martin-and-robert-fastiggi-have.html

MARCH 18, 2019

Professors Robert Fastiggi, Ralph Martin and Phillip Blosser at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA agree with me : there are no objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in 2019. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/professors-robert-fastiggi-ralph-martin.html

JUNE 20, 2016Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html 

AUGUST 9, 2017For Ralph Martin,Robert Fastiggi and Phillip Blosser BOD etc refer to invisible cases but students at Detroit have to infer that they are visible http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/for-ralph-martinrobert-fastiggi-and.html

 

FEBRUARY 26, 2018 Ralph Martin, Fr.Gerald Collins, Eduardo Echeverria,Gavin D'Costa and others make an objective mistake in the Homilectic and Pastoral Review https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/02/ralph-martin-frgerald-collins-eduardo.html

AUGUST 5, 2017  Faculty and students at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit forced to use irrational Cushingism as a theology instead of Feeneyism: Michael Voris and CMTV also have to accept it   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/faculty-and-students-at-sacred-heart.html

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