St.Paul Center interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise and so rejects the interpretation of outside the Church no salvation according to the Church Fathers.

The St.Paul Center interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise and so rejects the interpretation of outside the Church no salvation according to the Church Fathers.1

The Church Fathers held the strict interpretation of outside the Church no salvation.It was the same with the Medieval popes. When they mentioned invincible ignorance(I.I) , the baptism of desire(BOD) and the baptism of blood(BOB) they were obviously referring to hypothetical and theoretical cases.They could not be anything else.

However the liberal theologians after the 1930's interpreted BOD,BOB and I.I as being exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). So in other words they were objective examples of salvation outside the Church,for them to be exceptions.They projected BOD and I.I as exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for ideological reasons. They also re-interpreted the Church Fathers and Medieval popes, when they mentioned I.I etc, as referring to objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS. 

They projected the Church Fathers and the popes as saying there were exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation. Among those who promoted this confusion were the Americanists but also Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and then those who would be employed at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and be associated with the International Theological Commission, Vatican.

Even Archbishop Lefebvre would make the same error. The traditionalists then over the next 50 years would misinterpret BOD, BOB and I.I in Mystici Corporis, Quanta Cura etc as exceptions being mentioned by the popes to the 'rigid' interpretation of EENS.

The same mistake is made by Scott Hahn and the apologists at the St. Paul Center. 

The Church Fathers are cited on many subjects but not outside the Church there is no salvation. Instead on Wikipedia there is a long list of Church Fathers, popes and saints, who affirmed the strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.

However Wikipedia, like the St. Paul Center, interprets Vatican Council II, with the false premise.So there are exceptions to the Church Fathers on outside the Church no salvation. 

Also Wikipedia interprets the BOD, BOB and I.I as exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. They imply, like the St. Paul Center, that these are visible and non hypothetical examples of salvation outside the Church.

So they contradict the Church Fathers, popes and saints but also Jesus, in the Bible ( John 3:5. Mark 16:16 etc).

With the false premise even the Creed has been changed. The Profesion of Faith which we make in the Church is meaningless since there are two interpretations of the Nicene Creed.There is the version of the St. Paul Center and mine. 

-Lionel Andrades

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The Body of Christ is a Literal Reality in the Church

https://stpaulcenter.com/the-body-of-christ-is-a-literal-reality-in-the-church/

Understanding Vatican II and the One Church of Christ

https://stpaulcenter.com/understanding-vatican-ii-and-the-one-church-of-christ/

https://stpaulcenter.com/understanding-vatican-ii-and-the-one-church-of-christ-2/

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Church Fathers on Being “Born Again”

This set of passages from the Church Fathers shows that they equated baptism with being “born again,” as Jesus put it in John 3. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on Christ’s Real Presence in the Eucharist
A collection of texts illustrating the Church Fathers’ “realist” view of the Eucharist. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on Infant Baptism
A collection of documents illustrating the practice of infant baptism in the early Church. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on Purgatory
Texts from the early Church that show belief in the existence of Purgatory.

Church Fathers on the ‘Catholic Bible’
A good collection of quotes showing how the Church Fathers, to varying degrees, came to embrace the larger Old Testament that now makes up the Catholic version of sacred Scripture. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Assumption of Mary
Documents illustrating early belief in the bodily assumption of Mary. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Canon of Scripture
These documents from the early Church illustrate the belief that only the appointed authorities of the Church can determine which books belong in the “canon.” By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Immaculate Conception
Documents illustrating that Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Devotion and intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary is shown to be a common expression in the writings of the Church Fathers. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Meaning of Apostolic Succession
This collection of texts shows that the Church Fathers believed that the teachers of the Catholic Church – the Pope and the Bishops – are connected to the Apostles by succession of office. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Mother of God (Theotokos)
Documents illustrating that the Church Fathers believed Mary was truly the Mother of God. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Sacrament of Confirmation
A collection of passages by Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Sacrament of Extreme Unction (Anointing of the Sick)
Texts that show that the early Church believed in the sacramental nature of the anointing of the sick. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony
A collection of texts that shows the early belief that Christ elevated marriage to a sacrament. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Sacrament of Holy Orders
These texts show the Church Fathers’ assumption that Christ wanted a ministerial priesthood. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on the Sacrament of Penance
This collection of texts illustrates the practice of priests hearing confessions in the early Church. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on Transubstantiation
These documents illustrate the ancient roots of Catholic belief in the way the bread and wine are changed into Christ’s body and blood.

Church Fathers on Veneration and Invocation of the Saints
A selection of texts that shows the Church Fathers invoking the saints’ intercession in prayer, naming children after them, creating statues and images of them, and preserving their relics. By Joseph Gallegos.

Church Fathers on Veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary
A collection of texts that shows how veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a recurring theme in the writings of the Church Fathers. By Joseph Gallegos.

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JUNE 20, 2020

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