But by confusing what is implicit as being explicit, subjective as being objective and unknown as known, Pope Francis and Bishop Barron are not traditionalists who affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. They avoid the label.

  

Pope Francis would be a traditionalist if he did not make the mistakes of Bishop Robert Barron in these videos.The same mistake is there in all the books on Vatican Council II.

If Pope Francis interpreted Lumen Gentium 16 like me, as referring to only hypothetical, theoretical and speculative cases, which exist only in our mind, then Lumen Gentium 16 would not be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.

Since there would be no exceptions to EENS there would be no more a New Theology, New Ecclesiology, New Ecumenism and New Evangelisation supported by a revised Canon Law.

But for Pope Francis and Bishop Barron, Lumen Gentium 16, is not hypothetical, theoretical and speculative only.They are real, known non Catholic saved without faith and baptism in 1965-2020,otherwise how could there be exceptions to EENS.

For them there is an objective exception to EENS, the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q,27Q ) and the rest of Tradition.

This is a rupture with the Church Fathers and the Doctors of the Church who did not interpret the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, as referring to objective people.Common sense in any age tells us that these are references to invisible people. Hypothetical cases.

But by confusing what is implicit as being explicit, subjective as being objective  and unknown as known, Pope Francis and Bishop Barron are not traditionalists who affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.They avoid the label.-Lionel Andrades