Bishop Schneider is one step away from saying that Vatican Council II does not contradict Tradition and the SSPX are no more in schism

"Is the SSPX in schism ?", Bishop Athanasius Schneider is asked.He does not answer it with respect to Vatcian Council II.

The mainline newspapers have often stated that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is in schism since they reject the ‘reforms’ or ‘revolution’ of Vatican Council II.

The issue is Vatican Council II. The SSPX have often said that they reject Vatican Council II.

Bishop Bernard Fellay the former Superior General of the SSPX has cited UR 3 and LG 16 as exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. The Council has always been seen as a break with Tradition and even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre rejected it.

So the SSPX are said to be in schism.

But the glimmer of hope, for a change, is the statement Bishop Athanasius Schneider made in this video.In a sense it is historic. It opens the possibility of change which will be good news for the SSPX.

He has said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. We cannot judge if someone will be saved with the baptism of desire outside the Church. Only God can know this if it happens.

He is saying that being saved with the baptism of desire refers to invisible cases in 2021.There are no cases in our reality.

Now the next step is for him to see LG 16 as also being invisible in 2021.We cannot see someone saved with invincible ignorance or a good conscience, outside the Church.

There are no such cases in our human reality.

The same could be said for UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 , LG 8 etc. So they cannot be practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which was a motivation for traditional mission.

So in this way he could say like me that Vatican Council II is dogmatic.It supports the dogma EENS and the Council is not a break with the Syllabus of Errors  and traditional ecclesiocentrism.

It is then that the SSPX can fully affirm Vatican Council II and also Tradition. It does not have to be either-or.So then the charge of schism cannot be made against them.

The other point which needs to be clarified is that of the baptism of water. All need the baptism of water and also Catholic faith. Catholic faith is necessary for salvation says Vatican Council II(AG 7).Also the faith of the  Catholic Church is necessary. So there must be a baptism of water and Catholic faith. The baptism of water is needed in the Catholic Church. 

There are Christian denominations which have the baptism of water but approve mortal sins of faith, example, contraception, homosexual acts etc.So the baptism of water would be invalid over time.It would be the same in the Catholic Church. If someone is baptized but then commits mortal sins, he loses the Sanctifying Grace needed for salvation. This grace is restored in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Bishop Schneider has to specify that the baptism of water is needed in the Catholic Church. Since we cannot separate Jesus from His Mystical Body the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 25, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that we do not know of any literal case of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that we do not know of any literal case of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times. If someone was saved as such it would only be known to God.In an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall he spoke about the need for evangelisation with a call for conversion.

He also indicated that Lumen Gentium 14(baptism of desire) did not refer to a literal case in the present times (2021).It is a hypothetical case.Though he did not mention LG 14.

For me Lumen Gentium 16 also is not a literal case in 2021.So LG 14, LG 16, LG 8 etc will not be practical exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Mission could not exclude any non Catholic. Protestants too.

Bishop Schneider's concept of Mission differs from the New Evangelisation of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. Their New Theology is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with a fake premise.Without known examples of salvation outside the Church there is no more the traditional exclusivism.So the New Evangelisation is Christocentric with no Ecclesiocentrism.It is Jesus without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Similarly the New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology is based upon the interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc) without the rational premise.They need the irrational premise to create all this new stuff. Bishop Schneider avoids this error in the interview with Taylor Marshall when he refers to the baptism of desire, as being invisible.-Lionel Andrades