So even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner and the liberals were present at Vatican Council II the Council is orthodox when interpreted with the Rational Premise and Inference.The Conclusion is Traditional

 Notwithstanding what you read in the following article 1 from the web-blog Rorate Caeili(and in other reports), Vatican Council II is always dogmatic, traditional and ecclesiocentric.It must only be interpreted rationally. This is the ethical thing to do.

So even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner and the liberals were present at Vatican Council II the Council is orthodox when  interpreted with the Rational Premise and  Inference.The Conclusion is Traditional

- Lionel Andrades

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‘The Council and the Eclipse of God’ by Don Pietro Leone: CHAPTER 10 (part 5 c): The Principal Agents of the Council (continued): 2.The Bishops 3. The Freemasons 4. The Protestants 5. The Periti 6. The Press

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NOVEMBER 14, 2022

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, must ask the Jesuits to stop writing new books on Vatican Council II until the issue of the Irrational and Rational Premise and Inference is settled.

 

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, must ask the Jesuits to stop writing any new books on Vatican Council II until the issue of the Irrational and Rational Premise and Inference is settled. They are still publishing books on Vatican Council II written with the common False Premise which produces a  break with Tradition especially the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.I interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having no physically visible exceptions in 2022. Also I interpret Vatican Council II as not mentioning any practical exceptions for extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In reality we humans cannot see people saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.They are always hypothetical and invisible cases. Invisible people cannot be visible and objective examples of salvation outside the Church.- Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.  Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral. It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option. Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional? It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents. Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission) E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com Twitter : @LionelAndrades1 ___________________

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This is Rorate Caeili's political position on Vatican Council II like that of the Left and the two popes.This is modernism. For me there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II for the dogma EENS

 It is not the work of the devil when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally and the Council is in harmony with Tradition.

The Council is traditional and dogmatic. It supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This is there before our very eyes. All we have to do is 1) interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having no physically visible exceptions and then 2) interpret Vatican Council II as containing no physically visible exceptions for extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So Don Leone and Rorate Caeili were wrong when some time back they projected UR 3 in Vatican Council II, as being an exception for Feeneyite EENS.Invisible people cannot be  visible exceptions.A practical exception for EENS has to exist in our reality.

But It is not the work of the devil when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally and the Council is in harmony with Tradition.

The Council is traditional and dogmatic. It supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This is there before our very eyes. All we have to do is 1) interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having no physically visible exceptions and then 2) interpret Vatican Council II as containing no physically visible exceptions for extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So Don Leone and Rorate Caeili were wrong when some time back they projected UR 3 in Vatican Council II, as being an exception for Feeneyite EENS.Invisible people cannot be  visible exceptions.A practical exception for EENS has to exist in our reality.

But this is Rorate Caeili's political  position on Vatican Council II like that of the Left and the two popes.This is modernism. For me there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II for the dogma EENS.-Lionel Andrades 

The Council and the Eclipse of God by Don Pietro Leone- CHAPTER 10 - part 5: ‘The Principal Agents of the Council ’: 1. THE DEVIL

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