In my parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the Holy Communion classes have begun.The children are taught to confuse being saved in invincible ignorance outside the Catholic Church, as referring to known people , physically visible cases in the present times.In this way they don't have to say that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church, as it was taught to children during the times of Apostles and Church Fathers, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Cartherine of Siena and St.Maximilian Kolbe.The children are taught that there are exceptions and not that every one needs to enter accept Jesus and enter the Catholic Church, with no known exceptions to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
Even the priests and catechists in the parish are not ready to affirm the Athanasius Creed and it must be the same with the bishop and his Curia.
So the Nicene Creed is changed too with the same false premise with which they reject the Athanasius Creed and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So the Profession of Faith at Holy Mass in Italian is different.Since the Nicene Creed has two interpretations, one rational and the other irrational.
There is confusion on the First Commandment, for Catholics.
The Comitato dell Immaculata of Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I, over sees the old vacant church and seminary building in the parish.They are not intervening. -Lionel Andrades
, AUGUST 4, 2021
The Comitato dell Immaculata, Italy, have an obligation to check the false theology being taught in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome where they manage the seminary, old church building and other infrastructure.
The Comitato dell Immaculata, Italy, have an obligation to check the false theology being taught in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome where they manage the seminary, old church building and other infrastructure.
Vatican Council II must not be interpreted with a fake premise creating a liberal version of the Catholic faith.
When the Council is interpreted rationally there are no exceptions for proclaiming the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.
This is Catholic Tradition without rejecting Vatican Council II.
The parishioners are not proclaiming the faith and neither are the Joselitos Christo priests and Bishop Gino Reali and the Curia in this diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome.
The Comitato dell Immaculata is in a position to issue a press statement or hold a press conference and affirm the Catholic Faith.
Whether Holy Mass is offered in Italian or Latin, Vatican Council II needs to be interpreted and proclaimed without the fake premise.
The Comitato dell Immaculata could affirm the Faith and ask the diocese to do the same.
Pope Francis and the Catechectical Centers and the Catholic Bishops Conference in Italy are not Magisterial when they interpret Vatican Council II with a false premse to create a false rupture with Tradition.
To be Magisterial they would need to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise and so there would no more be a rupture with Tradition and the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church on EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X (24 Q, 27Q) etc.-Lionel Andrades
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SUNDAY, MAY 23, 2021
The Comitato dell Immacolata could ask the diocese of Porta Santa Rufina,Rome why is it necessary to use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds and Catechisms in the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea ? The religious communities Joselitos Christo, Salesians, Franciscans etc could choose to interpret Vatican Council II rationally
The lawyer of the Comitato dell Immacolata could ask the diocese of Porta Santa Rufina,Rome, now under the Administrator of the Diocese of Civitavecchia, why is it necessary to use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds and Catechisms in the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea ? The religious communities in the parish ( Joselitos Christo, Salesians, Franciscans etc) could choose to interpret Vatican Council II rationally. They could chooce to interpret the Council, with only the rational premise, inference and conclusion.I am only calling upon the diocese and parish to affirm the Catholic faith. -Lionel Andrades
MAY 19, 2021
The Comitato dell Immaculata could use the old seminary building, now vacant, at Casalotti, Boccea Rome, as an educational institution which corrects the public errors being taught at the pontifical universities and the religious communities and seminaries in Rome.
The Comitato dell Immaculata could use the old seminary building, now vacant, at Casalotti, Boccea Rome, as an educational institution.It could correct the public errors being taught at the pontifical universities.The same errors are taught to Catholics in the religious communities and seminaries of Rome.
There is no building in Rome, which houses an educational institution, to correct such common errors.
In the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti,and the nearby School of Catechetics of the Salesian Sisters at the Auxilium, Boccea, they emerge as liberals. Since they have religious programs based upon the non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.
There is no educational institution, lay or religious, to correct this error.
Catholics need to be taught traditional doctrine based upon the old rational theology and ecclesiology of the Church without rejecting Vatican Council II(L.A).
The Boccea seminary and church premises should not be allowed to be used for another leftist project,amid so much confusion in the Catholic Church.
I remember attending Mass in Italian offered by Fr.Giovani Manelli F.I,at the church Annunziata, Lungotevere, Rome.There was also Mass in Latin there which was attended by lay members; Third Order members, of the Franciscans of the Immaculate.The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate would form the choir.No one told them that Vatican Council II and all Magisterial documents could be interpreted with a rational premise and then we return to the old ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass.There is no institution in the Church which brings out in public this information in an organised way and the old seminary building in Boccea, could be used for this aim. -Lionel Andrades
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MAY 19, 2021
The Comitato dell Immacolata could use the old seminary building for Catechectical instruction which is not available in the parish
Before Pope Francis shut down the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary Boccea, Rome, Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I wanted to build a new seminary land near the present one.It would be called the Immaculatum, I was told by a Friar.
Now that the Comitato dell Immacolata,have possesion of the Boccea seminary building and adjoining buildings,including the old church, they could use the premises, for Catechetical instruction, which is not possible in the parish.
They could show in the classroom how the Latin Mass can be offered/attended, with the past theology or the new theology.It depends upon the use of a false or rational prmeise, in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Catechisms and Creeds.
The present Brazilian Joselitos Christo priests at Casalotti, Boccea, like the former Fransciscan Friars of the Immaculate, who were there last year, are liberals.They follow the Left.They would not like to affirm Magisterial documents in harmony with Tradition, it would be politically incorrect.They are Cushingites, unlike the popes and saints over history, who were Feeneyites.
If Fr. Stefano Manelli had built the Immaculatum it would have to be Feeneyite in its theology, for it to be in harmony with Tradition.
Today there are many new universities and educational institutions being opened in Rome.None of them interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms and EENS with the rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.Instead it is the opposite.This is official dissent, heresy and schism approved by the Vicariate and the Vatican.
If there is to be a seminary or an educational institution, with only on line programs called the Immaculatum, its theology should be rational, so that the doctrines it teaches are not new, like those at the pontifical universities in Rome. -Lionel Andrades
MAY 15, 2021
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 11, 2021
In my parish I do not go up to receive the Eucharist at Holy Mass in Italian and the priests don’t mind.I do not receive the Eucharist since the priests will not affirm the Faith.They will not interpret Vatican Council II rationally.If they interpret Vatican Council II rationally there will not be a break with Tradition.So now they are teaching error.
In my parish I do not go up to receive the Eucharist at Holy Mass in Italian and the priests don’t mind.I do not receive the Eucharist since the priests will not affirm the Faith.They will not interpret Vatican Council II rationally.If they interpret Vatican Council II rationally there will not be a break with Tradition.So now they are teaching error.
The want to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.So I do not go up to receive the Eucharist.
If they told me that they will interpret Vatican Council II rationally without confusing what is invisible as being visible, I would go up to receive the Eucharist at Mass.
AUGUST 5, 2021
Bad theology in the parish
AUGUST 2, 2021
In my parish the priests of the Joselitos Christo priests, like the Franciscans of the Immaculate who were here last year, do not interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise and choose the irrational premise and so there is a rupture with the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and 16th- century extra ecclesiam nulla salus so I am reluctant to go foward and receive the Eucharist at Holy Mass in Italian.
AUGUST 2, 2021
IN MY PARISH THE PRIESTS OF THE JOSELITOS CHRISTO PRIESTS, LIKE THE FRANCISCANS OF THE IMMACULATE WHO WERE HERE LAST YEAR, DO NOT INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH THE RATIONAL PREMISE AND CHOOSE THE IRRATIONAL PREMISE AND SO THERE IS A RUPTURE WITH THE ATHANASIUS CREED, THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS AND 16TH- CENTURY EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS SO I AM RELUCTANT TO GO FOWARD AND RECEIVE THE EUCHARIST AT HOLY MASS IN ITALIAN.
SATURDAY, JUNE 12, 2021
If the priests do not deny the Catholic faith in the parish they will be punished
In the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, priests use the false premise to interpret the Council as a break with Tradition (EENS etc.). This non-magisterial interpretation, with an irrationality, is considered Magistral. So Vatican Council II is not dogmatic for them.It contradicts the dogma EENS,on the exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
They also give the Eucharist to non-Christians and Catholic women who live with non-Christians.
Then they say that Jesus died for everyone, in a statement that is incomplete. Instead they should claim that Jesus died for everyone, but to receive salvation everyone needs to believe in Jesus as the Savior, who saves us all from Hell. Everyone needs to believe in Him and live His teachings in the Catholic Church, with faith and the baptism of water (AG 7). This is necessary for salvation from Hell. The priest does not say it. There are non-Christian policemen, present in the church, during Mass in Italian. They control what the priest says.
This parish in which I have lived for many years, is located in the diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome and the bishop was until recently Gino Reali. The bishop-administrator of the diocese is now Mons. Gianrico Ruzza, Bishop of Civittavecchia-Tarquinia.
In this parish Pope Francis installed the Franciscans of the Immaculate, who celebrate Mass only in Italian. This was after closing the seminary of Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i. But last year the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate were asked to leave the parish and the seminary. Since the Comitato dell Immacolata, a lay organization of Fr. Stefano Manelli, legally regained possession of the land and properties. In their agreement with Bishop Gino Reali, they asked that the Franciscans leave.
They had to leave even though Pope Francis wanted them there. The liberal Franciscan community approved by Pope Francis was removed by the conservative, lay Catholic organization. Can the Comitato dell Immaculata, ensure that Catholic orthodoxy is taught and practiced in the parish ?
Yesterday at the morning Mass on the feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, a good priest of the Joselitos Christo community said that we must love everyone. He does not tell non-Christians their fate if they die in another religion. This is not love.
If the priests don't renounce the Catholic faith, the non-Christian police in Rome will criticize them and then the priests could be sent back to Brazil.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 5, 2021
Religious communities in the parish would be saying the same thing as me except for their false premise which creates a non traditional conclusion for them
The Joseleitos Christo and Franciscans of the Immaculate priests would be saying the same thing as Lionel Andrades on Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)but for the false premise( invisible cases of BOD and I.I are visible)which the priests utilise, to create a non traditional conclusion (EENS, Athanasius Creed etc are obsolete).
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests agree with me on five points but will not proclaim them in public
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/catholic-priests-agree-with-me-on-five.html
JUNE 8, 2021
These two religious communities agree with me but they are not proclaiming the faith in public
The Joselitos Christo and Franciscans of Immaculate priests agree with me on the FIVE POINTS. But they are not affirming Vatican Council II without the false premise.Since it would mean that they affirm the Athanasius Creed, 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
These two religious communities agree with me but they are not proclaiming the faith in public. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Rome agree with me on five points
In the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, near the Battistini Metro Station, there have been two religious communities housed there, the Joseleitos Christo and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.This is also the parish of Lionel Andrades according to his blog Eucharist and Mission( Lionel's Blog).The religious communities there agree with him on the following five points.
JUNE 4, 2021
They agree with me : A Catholic should be elected Mayor of Rome : Vatican Council II must be the test of being a Catholic
The priests of the Joseleitos de Christo community at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, in principle agree that there are no objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2021.There are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the present times (1965-2021).There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics, saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.We cannot see or meet someone who is an exception to the norm for salvation i.e faith and baptism (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).This was also the view of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, who were last year in this parish. They too agree with me.The Rector of Francisican Friar seminary in the parish was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i and Parish Priest, Fr.Giuseppe Grioni f.i.The seminary is closed and the building is under the management of the Comitato dell Immaculata, set up originally by Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i.
In the parish today the Parish Priest Fr.Francisco De Barros Barbosa, sjc in public interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise. If he did not use the false premise, Vatican Council II (AG 7) would affirm the past ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church, an exclusivist ecclesiology, the old traditional theology of outside the Church there is no salvation and the need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all national politics in Italy.
However he agrees with me - there are no objective exceptions to EENS. There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
The priests of the Joseleitos di Christo and Franciscans of the Immaculate need to tell Catholics and especially parishioners, to vote only for candidates for the Mayor's office in Rome, who interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.They would be true Catholics. With Vatican Council II ( rational) they would be affirming EENS.So based upon EENS they could proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King ( Quas Primas ) in all political legislation.Since outside the Church there is no known salvation the priority is that all accept the norm for salvation-faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, to avoid Hell.
We all agree that if there was any one saved outside the Catholic Church it could only be known to God.So Catholic faith and the baptism of water is still the norm and the priority to go to Heaven and avoid Hell for all people with no known exceptions.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 3, 2021
In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.
In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.The traditional conclusion of the Council, interpreted without the false premise is too much for them. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 2, 2021
In my parish the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed.
In may parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed. They change the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed with the use of a false premise.They re-interpret Vatican Council II with the same fake premise and change the interpretations of all the Catechisms.They do consider this a mortal sin of faith.They about 'new information' and 'being open' and 'following Pope Francis'. Do they believe in the secrecy of the Sacrament of Confession ? Really? Why ? -Lionel Andrades
JUNE 1, 2021
Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which transferred liberal religious, in Rome.
In the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Pope Francis closed down the seminary of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Rome.The seminary building and adjoining property is now held by the Comitato dell Immaculata, formed by Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i.
They objected to the presence of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculata.They had been there since Pope Francis shuttered the original seminary of Fr. Manelli.
So the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate no more live at Casalotti.They do not any more offer Holy Mass there.
Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which had the liberal religious, in Rome,tranferred.
I attend Holy Mass in Italian and affirm Catholic Tradition as a lay Catholic.There is no more a Latin Mass in the parish or even the adjoining area.
I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...).
I affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed, interpreted without a fake premise. So my interpretation of these two Creeds would be different from that of the present Parish Priest Fr. Francesco Barbosa, of the Brazilian Societa Joselitos Christo.
The Rector of the seminary at Casalotti, was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i.He now offers Mass at St.Mary Majors and remains the rector of the seminary in Tiburtina,Rome.
Fr.Rosario Samarco would reject the Athanasius Creed.He would interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise.It would be the same for the seminarians.It is the same for the Joselitos Chrito priests and the Italian diocesan priests.They are following the instructions of Vatican and the Rome Vicariate.
I accept Vatican Council II and interpret it without the false premise. So my interpretation of the Council would not be a rupture with Tradition( Athanasius Creed etc).The priests and religious communities in the parish and diocese, interpret the Council with the false premise. So our Profession of Faith will be different. Since our premises are different the Religious will emerge non traditional and I traditional.
I accept the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I).I do not reject them or deny them.For me they refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only.They can only be hypothetical and theoretical in our human reality.Since if any one was saved with BOD and I.I it would only be known to God.So for me, BOD and I.I are not examples of known people in the present times ( 1965-2021), saved outside the Catholic Church.I cannot meet or see someone saved with BOD or I.I.So when Vatican Council II refers to BOD(LG 14) and I.I(LG 16), it is always a reference to a hypothetical and theoretical case which exists only in our mind.It cannot be a practical exception to EENS, as EENS was known to the Church Fathers and the missionaries in the 16th century.
For me the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake in the Letter to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney.How can BOD and I.I be practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS ?
So our interpretation of BOD and I.I would also be different. I would affirm an EENS with no exceptions and they would affirm an EENS with exceptions.
It is not known how the seminary building will be used. The original community of the Fransciscans Friars of the Immaculate are not seen here.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 2, 2021
I affirm the Athanasius Creed
I affirm the Athanasius Creed,interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally,interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and do not use the false premise to interpret the Catechisms of Trent, Baltimore, Pius X, John Paul II etc.The Catechism of the Catholic Church is not a break with Tradition for me.I do not employ the false premise, inference and conclusion of cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborn.I interpret Vatican Council II rationally with the hermeneutic of continity with Feeneyite EENS, the Deposit of Faith and the popes and saints of the past.My interpretation of Church document is Magisterial,since it is rational, traditional and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.The present two popes interpretation of Magisterial documents with the false premise is not Magisterial. It is political. -Lionel Andrades
MAY 13, 2021
Pope Francis had to close down the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary and force the seminarians to study at the pontifical universities in Rome.There they had to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion.They had to accept this leftist, political interpretation of the Council .Now they teach it to others
MAY 30, 2021
In my parish the priests have changed the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and rejected the Athanasius Creed and they offer Holy Mass in Italian. They interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to project a non traditional conclusion and then then offer Holy Mass.
MAY 30, 2021
In my parish the priests reject the Athanasius Creed, change the Nicene and Apostles Creed and re-interpet Vatican Council II irrationally and do not deny it. They agree with me!
MAY 29, 2021
Scandal at my parish
I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...)in the parish but the priests and many of the parishioners do not do the same.
I live in the parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea.It is a 20-minute drive from Rome's Battistini Metro Station.How can they offer/attend Holy Mass and not affirm the infallible teaching of the Athanasius Creed?
I affirm Vatican Council II interpreted rationally in the parish but the priests and most of the parishioners do not do so.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed. In other words, they refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. They refer to physically visible people saved without faith and the baptism of water.Invisible and unknown people cannot be exceptions to the Creed. So with this irrationality they make the Athanasius Creed obsolete.
My interpretation of Vatican Council II is rational and traditional.It is not a break with the Creeds.
How can the priests and people offer/attend Holy Mass with an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II etc ?
When the priests and people in the parish do not affirm the Athanasius Creed and Vatican Council II, do they no have to go for the Sacrament of Confession, end the scandal and correct themselves in public ?
For me the baptism of desire(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only. I cannot meet or see someone saved as such.It is only God who can know if someone is saved with BOD and I.I. So there are no practical cases of BOD and I.I for me.There are also no practical exceptions to the past Magisterial ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.
But with visible for them,BOD and I.I, the priests and catechists and others in the parish, reject the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
They change the interpretation of Vatican Council II.Since for them, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, etc contradict the dogma EENS. There are practical exceptions for them.
So they have rejected the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.
They have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed. It is " I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church( so EENS is rejected)".
They have changed the meaning of the Apostles Creed. It is " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church,'which teaches the Catholic Church today that there is known salvation outside the Church and so the Creeds and Catechisms are obsolete in their old understanding".
They have changed the meaning of the First Commandment which now indicates for them that outside the Catholic Church there is known salvation and so there is true worship in non Christian religions.
This is public heresy, scandal and schism and Holy Mass is offered/ attended, by all in the parish.
This scandal has to be rectified in public, before absolution is given in the Confessional. -Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 11, 2021
Vatican Council II is dogmatic
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.
Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional. Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.
12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?
Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.
Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.
Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.
So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades
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