Wednesday, May 8, 2024

Vatican Council II interpreted rationally would be triumphalism for the National Catholic Reporter and the Czech priest

 


Vatican Council II interpreted rationally would be triumphalism for the National Catholic Reporter. Since the Council supports the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and has no practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845-846).



 When the Council is interpreted irrationally producing alleged visible exceptions for the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed then it is first class heresy. The understanding of the Creeds have been changed with the use of a false premise. There is also schism with the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is the NCR interpretation of the Council. They have to helplessly cling to it. It is Cushingism.

The Czech priest in this report by the NCR correspondent, interprets Vatican Council II ( irrational) as a break with Tradition, something revolutionary in the Catholic Church. There is no mention of Vatican Council II ( rational).The Council supporting the St. Benedict Centers in the USA on EENS would be triumphalism for the Left.

-          Lionel Andrades





Catholicism must reject 'heresy of triumphalism,' says noted Czech priest




Catholicism must rid itself of the "heresy of triumphalism" if it is to become more synodal and better able to evangelize in a secular age, according to noted Czech theologian and philosopher Fr. Tomas Halik.

"We see ourselves as a societes perfecta," or a perfect society, that is too self-sufficient, said Halik, who was recently tapped by the Vatican's synod office to help lead an April 29-May 2 gathering for some 200 parish priests from all over the world.

The gathering was organized in response to concerns that Pope Francis' synod on synodality included only a few parish priests among the more than 400 delegates that participated in the first session of the assembly in October 2023.

During a May 2 interview with National Catholic Reporter, Halik praised Francis' synodal efforts and his commitment to root out a culture of clericalism, where priests see themselves as more powerful than the laity.

But, he said, he would also point to "ecclesial triumphalism," which he said is a prideful, widespread attitude defined by a Catholicism that is closed off from the world around it.

In an address to the parish priests in attendance at the synodal gathering, Halik lamented that "some Christians, alarmed by the rapid changes of the world, want to make the church an island of unchanging certainties."

"There are still places where the parish priest sees himself as the pope of his parish. But the church confers the gift of infallibility on only one of its members, and then only under strictly limited conditions," he continued. "And if even a pope relies on several consultative councils to help him make his decisions, how much more should a parish priest listen to those he has been sent to serve?"

Continued

https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-news/catholicism-must-reject-heresy-triumphalism-says-noted-czech-priest






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APRIL 6, 2024

The National Catholic Reporter, Crux, Commonweal and the Tablet are obsolete now – Catholics know that they can interpret Vatican Council II rationally, traditionally and always with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition. Times have changed.

 

MARCH 29, 2024

The National Catholic Reporter, Crux, Commonweal and the Tablet are obsolete now – Catholics know that they can interpret Vatican Council II rationally, traditionally and always with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition. Times have changed.

 

The National Catholic Reporter, Crux, Commonweal and the Tablet are obsolete now – Catholics know that they can interpret Vatican Council II rationally, traditionally and always with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition. Times have changed. The NCR can now affirm the ecclesiology of the old Roman Missal in harmony with Vatican Council II.  The ecclesiology of the Latin Mass is supported by the Council.

NO DENIAL

Joan Chittister, Helen Prejean, Father Thomas Reese sj, Nicole Winfield, Cindy Wooden, John Allen Jr (ex-NCR) and other contributors of the NCR make an objective and factual error in their interpretation of Vatican Council II. No one denies it or is willing to comment.


John Allen Jr., ex-NCR now with Cruz News regularly interprets Vatican Council II unethically.He is here promoting a computer app.called Magisterium.com. It also interprets the Creeds, Councils and Catechism with an irrational premise i.e invisible people are visible in 2024, LG 81,14,15,16 refer to physically visible cases in 2024. There has been no  from John Allen and his wife Elise Ann over the years.

NO COMMENT FROM THE NCR

I mentioned on this blog yesterday that 'the  correspondents of the National Catholic Reporter agree with me. They are Feeneyites on extra ecclesiam nulla salus when they interpret Vatican Council II, rationally and honestly. They have the same theological position as the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Richmond, New Hampshire, on the dogma EENS and Vatican Council II (rational). There is no denial from any one at the liberal left National Catholic Reporter.' I have e-mailed them.

If the NCR interpreted Vatican Council II rationally (invisible cases of LG 16 etc are invisible in 2024) they would return to Tradition.

When Vatican Council II is interpreted with LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2 and GS 22 being only hypothetical cases in 2024 and so non objective cases and so not exceptions for the dogma EENS, the exclusivist Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the ecclesiocentric Athanasius Creed, they hold the same doctrines on salvation as the traditionalists. The NCR, with Vatican Council II ( rational) affirms the ecclesiology of the Latin Mass of the 16th century. They are in harmony with the St. Benedict Centers in the USA.

If the NCR interpreted Vatican Council II rationally (invisible cases of LG 16 are invisible) then they would be affirming ‘the strict interpretation of EENS’, the Feeneyite version of the Church Councils which defined EENS (1215 Fourth Lateran Council etc). The NCR has an obligation to correct itself on Vatican Council II and EENS since this is the norm of the Catholic Church. It is not the teaching of only the religious community the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. 

Catholics in general need to help the NCR correct its mistake. This is not only the responsibilty of the St. Benedict Center in New Hampshire.

The line in purple decides if Vatican Council II is traditional or liberal.

I repeat, interpreting Vatican Council II and EENS rationally, honestly and traditionally, is not only the responsibility of the St. Benedict Centers of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the USA.Since now Vatican Council II ( AG 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 845,846) are Feeneyite.

All Catholic religious communities, all, must interpret Vatican Council II rationally in harmony with Tradition in general.

We now know that the liberalism in the Church has come through Vatican Council II, irrational i.e. invisible cases of Lumen Gentium 16 (being saved in ignorance, a good conscience and with no fault of the person), for example, are interpreted as being visible examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2024 and so are objective exceptions for the dogma EENS and the traditional ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.

The general liberalism is foreign to the Church. It cannot exist in the name of Vatican Council II, which can only be interpreted rationally. There is only one ethical choice.

OBLIGATION TO BE ETHICAL

The NCR has an obligation, ethically, to only interpret Vatican Council II rationally i.e. LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, and GS 22 in Vatican Council refer to only hypothetical cases in 2024. It means there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II), for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church. The past exclusivist ecclesiology must now be supported by all religious communities and not only the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St. Benedict Centers.

PAPAL DOCUMENTS BASED UPON VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONAL

The NCR, Catholic News Service, Catholic News Agency etc can no more justify , Amoris Laetitia , Traditionis Custode and Fiducia Supplicans in the name of Vatican Council II. Since the Council must be interpreted only rationally by all- Catholics and non Catholics. These Church Documents were issued with Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and dishonestly.

TRADITIONALISTS FORTE IS VATICAN COUNCIL II

It is the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary whose forte is now Vatican Council II and the NCR is on the defensive.

1)         The NCR has not been able to issue a statement/report/article on Vatican Council II as interpreted rationally by Brother Andre Marie micm, Prior, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St. Benedict Center, Richmond, NH, USA.

2)       Neither is the NCR able to comment on the reports which state that the Prefect of Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith and journalists in Rome ( Nicole Winfied, AP etc) interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally.If they would interpret the Council rationally and so ethically,  they would be Feeneyite on EENS like the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in New Hampshire.

3. The faculty of theology and the rector of the University of St. Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum) in Rome, agree with me. LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, and GS 22 etc can only be interpreted as being invisible people. They are  are always only invisible in 2024.The NCR, like Reuters and the Associated Press, are not willing to interview the Theology Faculty at the Angelicum and neither the Master General of the Dominicans. There is no comment from the NCR.

CATHOLIC ANSWERS

4. Catholic Answers (Jimmy Akins/ Karl Keating) for political reasons avoids being ecclesiocentric. So their apologists  interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as referring to physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church in the present times. They adapt this objective error to their liberal apologetics.

FEENEYISM WAS THE NORM OVER THE CENTURIES

Over the centuries the Church was Feeneyite, since the baptism of desire etc were interpreted rationally (invisible cases are invisible). Feeneyism was the norm for all Catholics. It is the same today with Vatican Council II interpreted rationally. Feeneyism is not restricted to the St. Benedict Centers in New Hampshire, Massachusetts and Los Angeles, USA. Religious communities from, Poland, Hungary etc, who are now in Rome, are still Feeneyite. Religious communities  which have correctly rejected Vatican Council II, irrational and the objective mistake in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston are still traditional and Feeneyite.-Lionel Andrades


MARCH 28, 2024

The correspondents of the National Catholic Reporter agree with me. They are Feeneyites on extra ecclesiam nulla salus when they interpret Vatican Council II, rationally and honestly. They have the same theological position as the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Richmond, New Hampshire, on the dogma EENS and Vatican Council II (rational).There is no denial from any one at the liberal left National Catholic Reporter

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/03/the-correspondents-of-national-catholic.html


MARCH 27, 2024

We are all saying the same thing when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally : Brother Andre Marie micm, Fr. Georges de Laire and the correspondents of the National Catholic Reporter : All are Feeneyites on EENS

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/03/we-are-all-saying-same-thing-when.html

from The National Catholic Reporter

In that dispute, the Diocese of Manchester had accused the Saint Benedict Center in Richmond, New Hampshire, of violating canon law, according to Todd & Weld. The Saint Benedict Center and its members, who call themselves, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, had promoted the position held by their founder, a Jesuit priest named Leonard Feeney, that salvation is only possible through the Catholic Church.

Feeney, who died in 1978, was excommunicated for this view, though he was later reconciled to the church.

The Southern Poverty Law Center also added the center to a list of hate groups in 2007 for its members' antisemitic beliefs.

In 2019, the Diocese of Manchester forbade Catholics from participating in activities with the center and the center from calling itself Catholic because they said that they had warned the group that their position is contrary to Vatican teaching.- Right-wing Catholic outlet Church Militant to close in April

https://www.ncronline.org/news/right-wing-catholic-outlet-church-militant-close-april

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/03/the-national-catholic-reporter-crux.html

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APRIL 6, 2024

Fr.David Sherry, the District Superior of Canada, in this video below does not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so produces the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition and then blames the popes.

 Fr.David Sherry, the District Superior of Canada,  in this video below  does not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so produces the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition and then blames the popes.




 Even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not interpret Vatican Council II, rationally, and so expose the objective mistake in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston, issued by Pope Pius XII. 1

I have tried to speak to the SSPX priest  in Rome . He does not want to proclaim the Catholic Faith on Vatican Council II interpreted rationally. Like the SSPX bishops and priests he interprets the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally to reject the dogma EENS according to the Church Councils (1215 etc) which did not mention any exceptions. This is a kind of political position of the SSPX on Vatican. They are not talking about it. They 'do not hold fast to what was beleived by all Catholics over all time'.

Part of the crisis in the Church is that the traditionalists have become modernists like those many Catholics who attend the Novus Ordo Mass. Many prominent Catholic politicians are in this category. - Lionel Andrades


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APRIL 6, 2024

The Lega Salvini and other conservative political parties in Italy do not affirm the Catholic Faith on Vatican Council II. They want to be politically correct with the Left. Even the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) and the Vatican do not proclaim Vatican Council II interpreted rationally

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-lega-salvini-and-other-conservative.html

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APRIL 5, 2024

If a non Catholic goes or does not go to Heaven in any particular case it can only be known to God, the norm for salvation is faith and baptism (AG 7), the norm is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Catechism of the Catholic Church says ‘the Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude’. – Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Necessity of Baptism, 1257

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/04/if-non-catholic-goes-or-does-not-go-to.html

APRIL 1, 2024

Cindy Wooden, Fr. Georges de Laire and Brother Andre Marie micm, are all Feeneyites on extra ecclesiam nulla salus when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally by them

 

Vatican Council II can only be interpreted rationally. This is the only ethical option available. So Fr. Georges de Laire is a Feeneyite on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus like Brother Andre Marie micm and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in New Hampshire , USA.


 The correspondents of the National Catholic Reporter can only be 'progressive' if they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, dishonestly and so non traditionally. There is no more support for their liberalism when Vatican Council II is interpreted honestly. There automatically is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.


The line in purple is important. It decides if Vatican Council II is traditional or liberal.


When Fr. Georges de Laire interprets hypothetical cases as just being hypothetical in Vatican Council II, then there are no practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, mentioned in the text of Vatican Council II.

All the religioius communities, parish priests and rectors can interpret invisible cases of LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2 etc in Vatican Council II as not being objectively visible exceptions for the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation or Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict Ad Gentes 7 or the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846 Outside the Church there is no salvation).
- Lionel Andrades

APRIL 5, 2024

The baptism of desire was always invisible and it could only be known to God. This is a given, it is a constant in the Church over the centuries. Taylor Marshall confirmed that there are no explicit cases of St. Thomas Aquinas’s implicit baptism of desire. This is common sense.

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-baptism-of-desire-was-always.html





AUGUST 8, 2018

I always affirm the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invncible ignorance(Graphics)






-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/i-always-affirm-baptism-of-desire.html




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 With this rational model, the  Diocese of Porto Santa Rufina Rome, the Vatican, the Bologna School, Archbishop Pegro and Cardinal Matteo Zuppi , would not be contradicting the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

ATHANASIUS CREED

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'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...'

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MAY 12, 2018

Cardinal Ratzinger made an objective error in Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus : we can undo the mistake and re-interpret Vatican Council II (Graphics)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/cardinal-ratzinger-made-onbjective.html



AUGUST 19, 2019

Cushingism is the widespread heresy in the Catholic Church like the Arian heresy of the past. The cause of Arianism was detected and the heresy was eliminated. This has not happened yet with Cushingism.

It is the Catholic Church today which proclaims exclusive salvation and there being no known salvation outside the  Church. It does this in Vatican Council II( Feeneyite), the Catechisms( Feeneyite) and other magisterial documents interpreted with Feeneyism i.e hypothetical cases are just hypothetical  and not objective examples of non Catholicss saved outside the Church. 
So the priest was wrong on Saturday evening at Holy Mass when he said that the Church does not teach exclusive salvation, since there is allegedly known salvation outside the Church.He was of course interpreting Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism, to create a rupture with the past exclusive ecclesiology of the Church. Faith and baptism ( AG 7) is the norm for salvation and not personally unknown and invisible cases of GS 22, UR 3, LG 16 etc.
Cushingism is the widespread heresy in the Catholic Church like the Arian heresy of the past. The cause of Arianism was detected and the heresy was eliminated. This has not happened yet with Cushingism.-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/cushingism-is-widespread-heresy-in.html




TUESDAY, JUNE 28, 2022

With Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise the Church goes back to the old theology upon which the old faith and morals was based. So homosexuality is still a mortal sin and Vatican Council II (irrational) cannot be cited to contradict it

 

This report is a compilation  of Tweets on Twitter over the last 24 hours or more.

With Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise the Church goes back to the old theology upon which the old faith and morals was based. So homosexuality is still a mortal sin and Vatican Council II (irrational) cannot be cited to contradict it.

At the alleged ‘restorationist event’ Vatican Council II must be accepted but the Council must only be interpreted with a Rational Premise. This is obligatory. Since the common False Premise used to create a false break with Tradition is unethical. It is dishonest.

It is being called 'a restorationist event' but there can only be a Restoration when cardinals Sarah and Pell interpret all Magisterial Documents with the pre-1949 Rational Premise. This takes the Catholic Church back to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the theology of the Roman Missal.

Don Alcuin’s community has been suppressed because they are going back to Tradition and not accepting Vatican Council II (Irrational) like Pope Francis. Cardinals Sarah and Pell must announce that they interpret Vatican Council II only with the Rational Premise at every liturgy.

Vatican Council II indicates that all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation (Ad Gentes 7).All. This includes all non Catholics in the U.K.This is the teaching of Vatican Council II(Rational) and the Catholic Church today.

If Cardinal Vincent Nicols interpreted Vatican Council II with a Rational Premise he would be affirming Feeneyite EENS and the theology of the pre-1962 Missal. This would be the end of 'cash for the cardinal' from the non-restorationist Left.

It is obligatory for Pope Francis to interpret Vatican Council II with only the Rational Premise. The common Irrational Premise which Archbishop Athur Roche, Massimo Faggioli and Austen Invereigh use, is dishonest. They are going along with it even though they know it is unethical.

It is obligatory for Pope Francis to tell the pastoral visitors in Bishop Dominique Rey’s diocese, Fritjof Toulon, France, to only interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise in harmony with the Roman Missal. The False Premise is dishonest.

If Cardinal Erdo would interpret Vatican Council II with a Rational Premise he would unite theology and doctrine in the Catholic Church, there would be ecclesial unity, today. There would also be unity with the past Magisterium.

Go and proclaim that there is salvation in only the Catholic Church says Vatican Council II (Rational).Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation. AG 7 is mentioned in the Catechism of the Catholic Church n.846 under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation.

The Neo Catechumenal Way parish catechesis could be based upon the Roman Missal of the Traditional Latin Mass, only when they interpret Vatican Council II rationally. The liberalism ends.

Like Pope Francis, sedevacantist Bishop Mark Pivarunas does not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and has changed the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed, EENS etc. Archbishops Marcel Lefebvre and Pierre Thuc made the same mistake.

Bishop Donald Sanborn, Fr. Anthony Cekada and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not know that Vatican Council II interpreted with a Rational Premise would make the Council traditional. The popes and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, did not tell them.

Like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the Neo Catechumenal Way of Kiko Arguello, was not told the truth about Vatican Council II interpreted with a Rational Premise. It supports Tradition.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was not told that he could interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and the Council would affirm Tradition; Feeneyite EENS and the Roman Missal.

Archbishop Lefebvre was not told by Pope John Paul II that if he would interpret the Council with the Rational Premise the Council would affirm Feeneyite EENS.

Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the implicit-explicit, invisible-visible confusion and the Council will be in harmony with Tradition; with Feeneyite EENS and the Roman Missal.

Dr.Taylor Marshall must interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and then the Council will be in harmony with Tradition; with Feeneyite EENS and the pre-1962 Missal.

Cardinal Marx and Bishop Batzing must interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise otherwise they will be changing the understanding of the Creeds in Germany.

Pope Francis must tell Cardinal Marx that it is obligatory to interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and so the Council will be in harmony with Feeneyite EENS and the pre-1962 Roman Missal.



The religious community Verbe de Vie in Brussels must ask the bishop to allow them to interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise in harmony with Tradition and the Roman Missal. His interpretation of the Council with the False Premise is unethical and not Catholic.

The popes did not tell Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Kiko Arguello that Vatican Council II could be interpreted rationally and the conclusion would be traditional.

Pope Francis did not tell the Neo Catechumenal Way, to use the Rational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, in their catechesis and evangelization.

It is obligatory for the Neo Catechumenal Way to only interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise in harmony with the Roman Missal and Feeneyite EENS.

Pope Francis does not ask Kiko Arguello and the Neo Catechumenal Way to only interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise in harmony with the past ecclesiology and the Roman Missal.

Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise is in harmony with the Roman Missal.The  popes did not tell this to Archbishop Lefebvre. There is no denial from Andrea Tornelli or Fr. Anthony Spadero sj.

It is obligatory for Pope Francis and Pope Benedict to interpret Vatican Council II with a Rational Premise and so be in harmony with the old ecclesiology and the Roman Missal of the Traditional Latin Mass.

The bishops are not in unity with the Holy Spirit and the past Magisterium when they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.

It is obligatory for Pope Francis and Pope Benedict to interpret Vatican Council II rationally. It would be unethical for them to continue to use the False Premise.

Pope Francis wants the Neo Catechumenal Way to interpret Vatican Council II without the Rational Premise. With the False Premise there is a false rupture with the old theology upon which depends the old faith and morals. There is also a rupture with the Roman Missal.

The Latin laity in Dijone, France must object to the ordination of a new priest who does not accept Vatican Council II interpreted with only the Rational Premise. So with the False Premise he is rejecting the old theology of the Roman Missal.

The cardinals and bishops have to interpret Vatican Council II with only the Rational Premise. This is the only ethical option. So it is obligatory. With the Rational Premise we return to the old theology and so the old faith and morals which say that  homosexuality is a mortal sin.

Vatican Council II is Rational only. There is no denial from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. They agree with me. There is no denial from Andrea Tornelli and Fr. Anthony Spadero sj. Archbishop Lefebvre was not informed about the Rational Premise. There is no denial from Spadero and Tornelli.

The popes from Pius XII did not interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise. Pope John Paul II did not inform Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre about this option. Instead they excommunicated him.

It is obligatory for a pope to accept Vatican Council II. It must be the same for all the dioceses in France.

The faculty of the seminary and the Apostolic Visitors in the diocese of Bishop Dominque Rey in France, must only interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise. This is obligatory. It is also obligatory for the Benedictine and other religious communities in Frejuf Toulon, to do the same. Bishop Dominique Rey must inform the Vatican that Vatican Council II is accepted in the diocese but it is only being interpreted with a Rational Premise, in harmony with Feeneyite EENS and the old exclusivist theology of the Roman Missal.

The faulty for the seminary in the diocese of Fritjof Toulon and the Apostolic Visitors must only interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise. This is obligatory. The use of the Fake Premise is dishonest.

Pope Francis can interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and then invite the sedevacantist CMRI community, which has hundreds of priests and nuns, back into the Church.  -Lionel Andrades


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with Tradition.   -Lionel Andrades




Lionel Andrades

former Staff Reporter, daily Morning News, Karachi, Pakistan.

Recipient of the All Pakistan Newspaper Society (APNS) Best Reporter of the Year Award, presented by the Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto.

Recipient of the Pakistan Government's Award for Literature ( Childrens stories).

Teacher of English and Church History at the Catholic Minor Seminary, Rawalpindi.                                                                                          

 

                                                            Bishop Anthony Lobo

Sent to Rome for Ministerial Priesthood by Bishop Anthony Lobo, bishop of Rawalpindi-Islamabad, Pakistan.

He is discriminated against by the pontifical universities and seminaries in Rome.He interprets Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. So there is a continuity with Tradition. He is not allowed to study at pontifical universities in  Rome,  where it is obligatory to interpret Magisterial Documents, irrationally and unethically.Catholic students and seminarians are discriminated against. 

The seminarians of the Society of St. Pius X, Albano, are allowed to study at the pontifical universities in Rome since they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally and this is approved by the Left.

Propaganda Fide only gives schorlarship for all students/ seminarians who are approved by a bishop, who does not interpret Vatican Council II, rationally and expects seminarians to do the same.

However we have a new discovery in the Catholic Church. There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral, when it is interpreted rationally i.e LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases. So they are not objective examples of salvation. They are not objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.The Creeds must not be changed.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version of the Creeds, Catechisms and Councils, which is heretical, non-traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents and call it Catholic.

Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray, Balthazar, Kung, Lefebvre and Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally. The popes from Paul VI to Francis did the same. We can today choose to interpret the Council rationally and in harmony with Tradition.

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HEART OF THE MATTER

1.If Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma EENS then it means that LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to visible examples of salvation outside the Church. So they are exceptions for EENS etc.

2. If Vatican Council II is not a break with the dogma EENS then it means that LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc refer to invisible cases. They are not visible examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2023. Invisible cases cannot be practical exceptions for me.So there is nothing in the text of Vatican Council II to contradict Feeneyite EENS.

A. Similarly if the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance refer to physically visible cases, of salvation outside the Church in 1949-2023, then this is Cushingism. It is irrational. There is a break with the dogma EENS and the ecumenism of return.The Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q-outside the Church there is no salvation), has exceptions. There is a break with Tradition.

B. But if BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible cases, then they do not contradict EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the ecumenism of return and the Catechism of Pope Pius X(24Q,27Q).There is no rupture with Tradition.

  • When what is invisible is considered invisible, I call it Feeneyism.
  • When what is invisible is considered visible, I call it a Cushingism.

We can interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

We can interpret BOD, BOB and I.I with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

So we can interpret the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed with Feeneyism or Cushingism. When these Creeds refer to BOD, BOB and I.I they can be Feeneyite or Cushingite. For example, (Nicene Creed-I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin ( and not three known baptisms). 

The Apostles Creed  (the Holy Spirit guides the  Holy Catholic Church  to say outside the Church there is no salvation and not outside the Church there is known salvation.

All need Catholic faith for salvation (Athanasius Creed).This is Feeneyism. But if it is said all need Catholic faith for salvation with some known exceptions then this is Cushingism.

The only holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (Four Marks, Nicene Creed) in the past taught that outside the Church there is no salvation. What it teaches today depends upon you -if you are a Feeneyite or Cushingite.

In the same way there can two interpretations of Vatican Council II (LG 8,14,15,16 etc). It depends upon how you interpret LG 8 etc, with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

-Lionel Andrades

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