Cushingites Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Lefebvre were interpreting the Nicene Creed with error

From Rorate Caeili

Guest Note: "Paul VI: the 'Pastoral' Canonization of the Spirit of Vatican II" -- by Fr. Pio Pace

Francis tomorrow will proceed with his sanctification procedure of the worst Pope ever, Paul VI -- not even he, Francis, unleashed such destructive forces upon Holy Mother Church as Paul VI (despite the couple of things he did right). 

Lionel :He was a Cushingite like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. They both were interpreting Vatican Council II with the same irrationality.

The SSPX bishops are still making the same mistake.

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Earlier this year, our contributor Fr. Pio Pace, an expert in Romanitas, gave us his opinion on the astonishing "canonization of Paul VI." It is merely an excuse to canonize the horrendous"Spirit of Vatican II".

Lionel : There is no 'spirit of Vatican Council II' when Vatican Council II is interpreted with Feeneyism ( invisible people are just invisible) instead of the common Cushingism( invisible people are visible).This is the false premise used to interpet the baptism of desire etc in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case and Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) etc in Vatican Council II.

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Paul VI: a "Pastoral" canonization?

Fr. Pio Pace

Perhaps Paul VI had remarkable and heroic virtues in his private and secret life. But, as Pope, he is the object of not little debate: he promulgated the most liberal texts of the Council (Gaudium et Spes, Unitatis Redintegratio, Nostra Aetate, Dignitatis Humanae); he led a liturgical reform that turned sacred liturgy upside down and inside out; and several other things, big and small, such as the suppression of the extremely ancient and venerable Roman Subdiaconate.


Paul VI fully embodies Vatican II. It is precisely for this reason that he has been chosen for canonization, as the Popes of the Council and post-Council, who have been canonized one after the other: John XXIII, John Paul II...

Is Paul VI presented to the Church as an example due to the publication of Humanae Vitae? Or rather for his "ecumenical gestures", such as having given in 1966 to the archbishop of Canterbury, Michael Ramsey, his pastoral ring and a chalice -- which allowed Cardinal Coccopalmerio to affirm that the Anglican ordinations could be considered valid: "What could it mean for Paul VI the fact of giving a chalice to the archbishop of Canterbury?

Lionel: It meant that he interpreted Vatican Council II assuming UR 3 ( Decree on Ecumenism) referred to known Christians saved outside the Church. For him there were personally known Christians saved outside the Catholic Church, without Catholic faith. This was the reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which he approved of.

Since there was salvation outside the Church for him there was the birth of a new ecumenism. It also meant that non Catholic spouses in Mixed Marriages could also receive salvation, while being outside the Church.So the Catholic spouse was not in adultery.The marriage was a Sacrament for him as long as a dispensation was received from the local bishop.

This was the New Ecclesiology of the Catholic Church for the Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin Mass of his time.

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If it was to allow for the celebration of the Lord's Supper, the Eucharist, it was out of consideration for valid ceremonies, right?" And we could go on: John Paul II was an example for the solid defense of Humanae Vitae, or rather for having organized the sadly famous "Assisi meeting"?

Lionel: Since there was salvation outside the Church for the SSPX bishops who were not Feeneyites, Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger were open to inter-faith dialogue, like Cushingites, at Assisi.

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We must dare say it: by canonizing all Vatican II popes, it is Vatican II that is canonized.

Lionel: Vatican Council II , Cushngite is canonized unfortunately. Since traditionalists do not want to be called Feeneyites and re-interpret the Council in harmony with the past ecclesiology of the Church.

Pope Paul VI made a mistake when he assumed invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I)were visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.But Pope Pius XII and Archbishop Lefebvre made the same mistake. So we cannot only put the blame on Pope Paul VI.

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 But, likewise, canonization itself is devalued when it becomes a sort of medal thrown on top of a casket. Maybe a council that was "pastoral" and not dogmatic is deserving of canonizations that are "pastoral" and not dogmatic.

Lionel : The Council is pastoral but when it is interpreted with Cushingism ( invisible non Catholics are visible outside the Church and they are saved without Catholic faith) then the Council contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). Then it becomes dogmatic.

It has done away with the ecumenism of return.

It has changed no salvation outside the Church associated with the old liturgy.

It has changed the traditional motivation for Mission.

It has changed the interpretation of the Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed says ' I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.For me it refers to one  known baptism, the baptism of water.

Most Catholics interpret this to mean ' I believe in three or more known baptisms and they are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood etc, all without the baptism of water'.

In the Nicene Creed we refer to the Holy Spirit.For me the Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church to teach outside the Church there is no salvation. For others, it guides the Church to teach that outside the Church there is known salvation.

In the Nicene Creed we refer to the one Holy , Catholic and Apostolic Church which for me says outside the Church there is no salvation. For  the traditionalists it is outside the Church there is no salvation except for the cases of the baptism of desire etc. In other words the baptism of desire etc refer to known people saved outside the Church. If they were invisible cases they could not be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So they were visible cases for Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Lefebvre. 
But they are invisible cases! This is common sense. Pracrtically we cannot see a BOD, BOB and I.I. case. Literally there is no baptism of desire for us human beings.

 Now we know that the baptism of desire etc refer to invisible cases in the present times. They never ever were exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. This was not known to Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Lefebvre. It still is not known to  the SSPX bishops and priests and bloggers today.

-Lionel Andrades