October 26, 2012
DOES CARDINAL DANNEELS ASSUME THAT VATICAN COUNCIL II BROKE WITH THE PAST BECAUSE OF THE DEAD VISIBLE TO US INTERPRETATION ?
Danneels: Vatican II broke with past-The Tablet
25 October 2012
The Church broke away from its negative and "world-rejecting" past at the Second Vatican Council, a senior cardinal has said.
In
a speech given last week at Clifton Cathedral in Bristol and St
George's Cathedral in Southwark, south London, Cardinal Godfried
Danneels said that Vatican II represented a "discontinuity with past
thinking" comparable to that at the Council of Nicaea in AD 325, when
the Nicaean Creed was formulated.
Lionel:
How can Vatican Council break away from the past unless the cardinal is
assuming that in the text of the Council, every time there is a
reference to a non Catholic saved, it is of a person known to us , and
so this is an exception to the dogmas and tradition in general.
No where in Nostra Aetate is it said that non Catholics do not have to convert into the Church for salvation or that they are saved in general in their religion. Instead Nostra Aetate 4 says Catholics are the new people of God.
Vatican Council II also indicates that all non Catholics need faith and baptism for salvation(AG7). This is in agreement with the dogma on exclusive salvation. There are no known exceptions.LG 16 does not contradict AG 7.
So the cardinal can only mention 'the spirit of Vatican Council II' he cannot cite text from the Council which shows that it is a break from the past especially with reference to the other religions.
No where in Nostra Aetate is it said that non Catholics do not have to convert into the Church for salvation or that they are saved in general in their religion. Instead Nostra Aetate 4 says Catholics are the new people of God.
Vatican Council II also indicates that all non Catholics need faith and baptism for salvation(AG7). This is in agreement with the dogma on exclusive salvation. There are no known exceptions.LG 16 does not contradict AG 7.
So the cardinal can only mention 'the spirit of Vatican Council II' he cannot cite text from the Council which shows that it is a break from the past especially with reference to the other religions.
In
Southwark, where he was speaking, the bishops and priests assume that
the baptism of desire is a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
According
to their Vocations Director, candidates with a religious vocation have
to accept that the dead, visible and saved with the baptism of desire, are very visible to them all.
They
have to believe this irrationality,according to the Vocation Director,
since Fr.Leonard Feeney according to him, was excommunicated for denying
the baptism of desire. In other words, Fr.leonard Feeney said that he
could not see the dead saved with the baptism of desire, who are
exceptions to the traditional literal interpretation of the dogma .So
they excommunicated him.The cardinals who issued the Letter of the Holy
Office 1949 could see these cases.
Blogger
Fr.Tim Finnigan, from Southwark also affirms this irrationality.Perhaps
it is expected of him by the Archbishop of Southwark, Peter Smith. This
is also the position of the Conference of Catholic Bishops of England
and Wales.
Similar
to Archbishop Peter Smith, Cardinal Daneels, could be making the same
error as the bishops and priests of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and
so they all assume that the Council is modernist and a break with the
past.
The report continues.
His
remarks however appear to conflict with Pope Benedict XVI's analysis
that the Council should be understood as reform within continuity. The
Pope has also criticised the "hermenuetic of discontinuity" as an
analysis of Vatican II.
Lionel: If one uses the false premise of the dead saved being visible to us, then there has to be a hermeneutic of discontinuity.
The Belgian cardinal was speaking as part of lecture series in both dioceses to mark the start of the Year of Faith.
Lionel: In the Year of the Faith it is alleged that we can see the dead who are saved and who visible here on earth. They are not only exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but even Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) is a break from the dogma, the Syllabus and the rest of Tradition.
Danneels,
who was present as an expert at the Second Vatican Council in 1962,
told audiences that the council had demonstrated that the Church's
traditions and practices "need not necessarily remain that
[unchangeable] way for eternity".
Lionel: They have changed obviously because a new premise has been accepted by the liberals and traditionalists.-Lionel Andrades
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