Friday, July 19, 2019

The issue is - Vatican Council II supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The issue is - Vatican Council II supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) cannot be objective exceptions to EENS.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are hypothetical. They cannot be personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times.So when Vatican Council II is cited by many people, this also should be mentioned.There are numerous books written on Vatican Council II and this fact is ignored or not known.
There is only one path to salvation.It is the Catholic Church.All need faith and baptism for salvation( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II), is the teaching of the Council and not just the dogma EENS and other magisterial documents.
So why is LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc mentioned in Vatican Council II?
Since the Council Fathers  assumed that these were known non Catholics saved outside the Church.They become relevant, in this way, to the dogma EENS.These were exceptions to EENS, for them.
We now know that LG 8 etc do not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.
This was not known to Cristopher Ferrara, Roberto dei Mattei and other traditionalists who wrote books on Vatican Council II wrongly assuming LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc were exceptions to EENS.For them there were known non Catholics saved outside the Church-even though personally they could not meet any such person.
Since LG 8 etc were assumed to be personally known and physically visible non Catholics saved  outside the Church, the new theology has become, outside the Church there is salvation.
But invisible people cannot be exceptions. People who do not exist cannot be practical exceptions to EENS.This was noted by the apologist John Martignoni when I asked him about it. This was also observed by Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson. So this is not just a personal observation of mine. Fr. Stefano Visintin osb, the present Rector of the University of St. Anselm, Rome responded to my question to him, also in the affirmative. He said that there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in the present times.
 Image result for Photo Fr.Nicholas GrunerImage result for Photo John Vennari
I have been writing about this since 2010 and there is no comment from Ferrara and Mattei.Fr.Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari died without discussing or commenting on this issue, even though so many reports were sent to them.Brian McCall the editor at Catholic Family News(CFN) also ignores this issue today as did Vennari,at CFN.
There was no comment from Mattei and Ferrara this year when the traditionalist St. Benedict Center, New Hamspshire,USA was asked by the Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(n.847-848 on invincible ignorance) as being an exception to Feeneyite EENS.Archbishop Augustine Di Noia indicated in writing that unknown cases of being saved in invincible ignorance were known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for him. 
This is false. It cannot be magisterial. Since the Holy Spirit cannot teach it. The Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake and also contradict the popes over the centuries before Pope Pius XII.
Recently Fr. Vaughn Treco was excommunicated for not interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational reasoning, which is obligatory, to make the Council  a rupture with Tradition(Athansius Creed, Syllabus of Errors etc).
 The traditionalists have their summer conference every year and do not discuss this issue.-Lionel Andrades
 

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