The sedevacantists use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Syllabus of Errors etc and then they blame the Council.
They send me long lists of references to the baptism of desire(BOD), made by the popes and the saints.The popes and saints refer to hypothetical cases but the sedevacantists like the liberals, assume these are real exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
They are real, concrete, objective exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. This happens since they use the false premise, they say imply and assume that invisible non Catholics saved outside the Church are visible.1
They are real, concrete, objective exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. This happens since they use the false premise, they say imply and assume that invisible non Catholics saved outside the Church are visible.1
When I point out their error to them they do not reply.
Without the false premise, LG 8 etc in Vatican Council II would not contradict the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return. So they would not need to go into sedevacantism based on Vatican Council II( interpreted irrationally) -this is even though the popes from Paul VI have interpreted the Council with irrational Cushingite theology, when a rational and traditional Feeneyite option was present.
If Pope Francis tomorow affirms Vatican Council II without the false premise and says the Council is in harmony with the past ecclesiology and and only an ecumenism of return, what would be the reaction of sedevacantists Bishops Pivarunas, Dolan, Sanborn and others? Pope Francis would not be rejecting Tradition and neither would he be rejecting Vatican Council II( intepreted without the false premise).
-Lionel Andrades1
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The
unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but
dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
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