All the books on Vatican Council II, in general have been written with a false premise instead of without it and there are no comments from Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, Jimmy Skins, Steve Ray and Matt Fradd.-Lionel Andrades
SEPTEMBER 20, 2020
The following books on Vatican Council II reviewed on the National Catholic Reporter were written with a false premise to create a false liberalism with an aritificial break with Tradition. Throw them out.
The following books on Vatican Council II reviewed on the National Catholic Reporter were written with a false premise to create a false liberalism with an aritificial break with Tradition. Throw them out. -L.A
THE GOOD POPE: JOHN XXIII & VATICAN II: THE MAKING OF A SAINT AND THE REMAKING OF THE CHURCH
By Greg Tobin
Published by HarperOne, $26.99
But his abilities were seriously underestimated, as can be seen in Greg Tobin’s biography, The Good Pope. The book offers an engaging profile of the man who convened the 21st ecumenical council, which, depending on one’s interpretation, either threatened centuries of Roman Catholic tradition or enlightened them.
VATICAN II: THE BATTLE FOR MEANING
By Massimo Faggioli
Published by Paulist Press, $14.95
Some considered the council to be blessed by the Holy Spirit. Others, like the French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, thought the council was the work of Satan. In Vatican II: The Battle for Meaning, Massimo Faggioli offers a hard-hitting study of the battles that took place during the council.
The council had barely begun when, on Oct. 30, 1962, dissension broke out. The conservative Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani protested a draft of a document concerning changes to the Mass. He asked, “Are we dealing here with a revolution regarding the whole Mass?” He listed his complaints, causing his speech to run over the time allotted. When he was cut off, something almost unheard of happened: “The assembly broke out in applause.”
Although traditionalists, as Faggioli shows, were a minority, they wielded great power and could count among their members the Roman Curia. Some traditionalists thought the council agenda was wrong to the point of being heretical. Lefebvre, for example, believed that when Paul VI promulgated the documents of Vatican II, he had ceased to be pope because his actions had been schismatic; the cardinals he appointed were therefore invalidly appointed. Others opposed the council but professed allegiance to the pope and to the bishops while fighting for a pre-Vatican II church.
VATICAN II: THE ESSENTIAL TEXTS
Edited by Norman Tanner, SJ
Published by Image Books, $19
In Vatican II: The Essential Texts, Jesuit Fr. Norman Tanner edits the council documents and frames each with a brief but informative overview by Edward Hahnenberg, author and professor of theology. The book opens with two essays offering opposing perspectives that set up the lines of argument emanating from council documents. Author James Carroll writes from the perspective of one who believes that the work of the council was to dismantle the last divine right monarchy and achieve a needed break with the past. Pope Benedict XVI, who takes the opposing view, sees the dissent regarding the council as one of hermeneutics (interpretation) and believes that the council called for renewal, not revolt.
KEYS TO THE COUNCIL: UNLOCKING THE TEACHING OF VATICAN II
By Richard Gaillardetz and Catherine E. Clifford
Published by Liturgical Press, $19.95
Despite the debates about Vatican II, few people knew what really happened during the council. Partly it was because of the secrecy surrounding it. But also, as explained in Richard Gaillardetz and Catherine E. Clifford’s Keys to the Council, it was difficult to understand such a large body of material dealing with thorny theological and philosophical issues. Paul VI increased the difficulty by allowing opposing sides to add their varying views to the documents, which tended to obfuscate their meaning. Shortly after the council ended, its major documents were published. This was followed by a flood of interpretations trying to explain what the documents actually meant.
Even the press releases concerning the council were difficult to follow. As Tobin mentions, a London periodical complained of “English so peculiarly outrageous that one hardly knows whether to laugh or cry.”
VATICAN II: FIFTY YEARS OF EVOLUTION AND REVOLUTION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
By Margaret Lavin
Published by Novalis, $18.95
In Vatican II: Fifty Years of Evolution and Revolution in the Catholic Church, professor of theology Margaret Lavin offers an accessible, coherent look at the council. She explains the impetus behind the council, presents an overview of its documents, and then looks at their history, major themes and challenges.
CHRIST, CHURCH, MANKIND: THE SPIRIT OF VATICAN II ACCORDING TO POPE JOHN PAUL II
Edited by Zdzislaw Josef Kijas, OFM Cap, and Andrzej Dobrzynski
Published by Paulist Press, $15.95
Scholars worked to achieve a consensus in interpreting the documents, but as these books show, conflicts still exist. Some, for example, see John Paul II’s papacy as one that attempted to curb the agenda of Vatican II. Others, like journalist Michael Novak, believe that John Paul, with his awareness of the presence of the Holy Spirit, rescued the council. The book Christ, Church, Mankind notes John Paul’s ardent passion for Jesus Christ and his efforts to spread that passion as part of the vision of Vatican II. Based on a 2008 international assembly that studied his pontificate and its connection to Vatican II, the book points out that Karol Wojtyla’s beliefs about the family, women and motherhood positively influenced council documents. But it says little about the council’s particulars.
VATICAN II: FIFTY PERSONAL STORIES
Edited by William Madges and Michael J. Daley
Published by Orbis Books, $28
Dennis Doyle’s foreword to Vatican II: Fifty Personal Stories offers an insightful, clearly written “interpretive introduction” to Vatican II and to the 50 memoirs collected here. In one especially engaging memoir, Redemptorist Fr. Francis Xavier Murphy recounts using the pseudonym Xavier Rynne to protect himself from the Roman Curia, so he could cover the council for The New Yorker and let the world in on the council’s secrets. In another, Fr. Joseph Komonchak, professor emeritus of theology and religious studies at The Catholic University of America, notes somewhat wistfully that many of those involved in the tense drama of the council are deceased, while most Catholics today wonder what the fuss was about.
Was the council a power struggle between conservatives and liberals? Or were both sides trying to be faithful to the authentic and apostolic church as they understood it to be? These books offer no definitive answers to the questions. But after reading them, one can say that despite -- or because of -- being guided by the Holy Spirit, the council created such dissension that the church is still reeling from it.
Who would have thought that the approximately 2,500 bishops and cardinals who debated, wrote, revised and promulgated the documents of the 21st ecumenical council (as well as the good pope who convened it) could start a fight like the one that’s going on in the church today? Who indeed?
https://www.ncronline.org/books/2017/08/trove-new-books-vatican-ii
MONDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2019
All the books on Vatican Council II that have been published could probably have an error in the interpretation of the Council, in its 16 basic documents.Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate,Ad Gentes, Unitatitis Redintigratio, Gaudium et Specs etc were are all interpreted with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition. Hypotheticals were assumed to be objective people saved outside the Church.
It is the same with the dogma EENS. We can interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as being practical exceptions to EENS and most people do so, even though it is irrational. However we can also accept BOD, BOB and I.I and not see them as physically visible people in 2019.
So they are not literal cases of people saved outside the Church. They do not become practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) made a mistake. Unlike the popes and saints over the centuries, is interprets BOD, BOB and I.I as being exceptions to EENS.
Now we know Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS. Vatican Council II and EENS are Feeneyite and rational.
So all those books on Vatican Council II published over 50 years, generally are false propaganda.The Conciliar Church is really Feeneyite and traditional.
Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct. There are no literal cases of the baptism of desire.The CDF( Holy Office) was wrong.
Similarly the CDF was wrong at the Placuet Deo Press Conference ( March 1,2018). There are no literal cases known to us of non Catholics saved outside the Church with elements of sanctification and truth in other religions(LG 8), or, where the truth Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
We cannot know of any one saved outside the Catholic Church who would be an exception to the traditional teaching on the Church having an exclusiveness and superiority in salvation. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj misled the correspondent of the Associated Press, when she asked him an ideological question.
So all those books on Vatican Council II on your book shelf- throw them out.Also note that papal documents like Redemptoris Missio etc contain the same error.
-Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 27, 2019
FRIDAY, AUGUST 7, 2020
Amazon Books, Ignatius Press, Angelus Press and the numerous other publisher's books on Vatican Council II are now obsolete.They are like old technology. These books are now 'past tense '.Throw them out.
Amazon Books, Ignatius Press, Angelus Press and the numerous other publisher's books on Vatican Council II are now obsolete.They are like old technology. These books are now 'past tense '.Throw them out..-Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 6, 2018
Whispers of Restoration a group of anonymous traditionalists,heretics and schismatics, who interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, with a false premise, and so create a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Syllabus of Errors and past Catechisms
AUGUST 6, 2018
Questions for the traditionalists
DECEMBER 18, 2018
Gospel of John says all need to believe in Jesus for salvation and we do not know of any practical exceptions ; we cannot know of any exceptions to the Great Commission
In the Bible the Gospel of John says that every one needs to believe in Jesus to go to Heaven and there is no other way. For us Catholics the norm is believing in Jesus in the Catholic Church.
11] Amen, amen I say to thee, that we speak what we know, and we testify what we have seen, and you receive not our testimony. [12] If I have spoken to you earthly things, and you believe not; how will you believe, if I shall speak to you heavenly things? [13] And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven. [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up: [15] That whosoever believeth in him, may not perish; but may have life everlasting.John 3:11-15 Douy Rheims Bible
So when we meet non Catholics we know that they are Hell-bound.Since they will die without the ordinary means of salvation,which is faith and baptism.2
[26] For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself: [27] And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is the Son of man. [28] Wonder not at this; for the hour cometh, wherein all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God. [29] And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. [30] I cannot of myself do any thing. As I hear, so I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.John 5:26-30
There are no known exceptions to the ordinary means of salvation. The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).They are not practical exceptions to the ordinary means of salvation.We cannot meet or see any one saved outside the Church.God made it this way.3
We cannot know of any one who will be saved who does not believe in Jesus and we know the ordinary means of salvation for Catholics is faith in Jesus in the Catholic Church.
So it is necessary that everyone become Catholic to avoid Hell. Jesus founded only one Church, the Catholic Church.
[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.[59] This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. [60] These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.John 6:56-60
The Eucharist at Mass is necessarty for salvation. All need the Saraments of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
And he said to them: You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world.[24] Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. [25] They said therefore to him: Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The beginning, who also speak unto you.John 8:23.25
[6] Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me-John 14:6
Non Catholic Christians who believe in Jesus and then die suddenly can be saved and it would be known only to God.As St. Paul told the Phillipian jailer (Acts 16.25:40)that all he had to do was to believe in Jesus and he would be saved. This is true. However the jailer and his household would have to be later baptised with water. They would then be taught the Faith which they would have to live. That faith which they would be taught for salvation, is the Catholic Faith.
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