For me outside the Church there is no salvation is based on the teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7) interpreted rationally (LG 8,LG 16 etc are invisible cases). For others outside the Church there is salvation based on Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally( LG 8, LG 16 etc are visible examples of salvation outside the Church and so practical exceptions to EENS, Athanasius Creed etc

 For me outside the Church there is no salvation is based on the teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7) interpreted rationally (LG 8,LG 16 etc are invisible cases). For others outside the Church there is salvation based on Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally( LG 8, LG 16 etc are visible examples of salvation outside the Church and so practical exceptions to EENS, Athanasius Creed etc. -Lionel Andrades