In Vatican Council II interpreted rationally the Catholic Church today teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation

 In Vatican Council II interpreted rationally the Catholic Church today teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation.

But for many, or most Catholics, the Catholic Church teaches with Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally, that outside the Church there is salvation.There is known salvation; there are physically visible cases of non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water(other wise there could not be practical exceptions to EENS as the liberals and Lefebvrists believe).-Lionel Andrades