We know outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation in personal cases. We cannot meet or see someone saved outside the Church without faith and the baptism of water.Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So when the present two popes affirm the Creeds with a false premise to create a fake rupture with Tradition are they outside the Church ?

 We know outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation in personal cases. We cannot meet or see someone saved outside the Church without faith and the baptism of water.Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So when the present two popes affirm the Creeds with a false premise to create a fake rupture with Tradition are they outside the Church ?

1. They are not affirming 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus,because of the false premise in the interpretation of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance.

2.They are not affirming the past centuries understanding of the Nicene Creed.It is now I believe in three more known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water and are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.

3.They have rejected the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

4. With the same false premise which creates objective errors they have made the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27 Q) obsolete.

They have used a false premise to reject the past Magisterium and past popes. -Lionel Andrades