Tuesday, April 13, 2021

Bishop Steven J.Lopes interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion.He would also be interpreting the Creeds and Catechisms with the same irrationality. This is an irregular issue. It is a canonical issue : he excommunicated Fr. Vaughn Treco for supporting Tradition and opposing the false interpretation of Vatican Council II

The Chancery of the Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter is home to the offices that support the parishes, clergy and faithful of the Ordinariate, which serves the U.S. and Canada.

Phone: 713.609.9292 | Email: secretary@ordinariate.net

Bishop Steven J.Lopes , prelate of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter, a community for former Anglican clergy and laypeople within the Catholic Church, interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion. He would also be interpreting the Creeds and Catechisms with the same irrationality. This is an irregular issue. It is a canonical issue. The bishop interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition and then he excommunicated Fr. Vaughn Treco for supporting Tradition. He closed down Fr. Treco's church since he criticized the popes who supported Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise.

He accused Fr. Vaughn Treco of being in schism with the popes from 1965.However with the false premise, these popes and Bishop Lopes are in schism with the past Magisterium over the centuries.

With the false premise they reject the Athanasius Creed( outside the Church no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return).This is schism. It is also heresy when Bishop Lopes rejects the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27Q).

Here is Bishop Lopes' false premise in red.

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.

_________________

For me:

There are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We cannot see or meet them in the flesh. If they existed they would only be known to God. I am speaking in the sense of physics, moving bodies, stationary bodies, momentum, Newton's laws of gravitation etc.

At Newton's level of matter there are no stationary bodies, human beings saved outside the Catholic Church with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance or the baptism of blood. According to the laws of physics, space, mass, light etc, we cannot see a non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church.

For Bishop Steven Lopes:

There are physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We can see or meet them in the flesh. They are known not only to God but also human beings. He is referring to physics, moving bodies, stationary bodies, momentum, Newton's laws of gravitation etc.So for him the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are practical exceptions to 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

___________________________________

THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE APOSTLES CREED AND THE NICENE CREED.His and mine.

How do you interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?

There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.

" I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" - Apostles Creed

For Bishop Steven Lopes

1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ?

Or,

Lionel:

2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas o Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?

THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED. WHICH ONE IS YOURS ?

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed

Lionel :

1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.

Or.

For Bishop Steven Lopes

2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).

There are can be two interpretations of the Great Commission.

Lionel:

We cannot affirm mentally that the catechumen who desires the baptism of water, died before receiving it, went to Heaven is a known case. We cannot act as if this imaginary personal is a known case in the past or present.

We cannot say the popes and saints mentioned the baptism of desire and also not say that none of them said that these cases were explicit and objective. So there are exceptions to the Great Commission in their words and actions. There are exceptions also to all needing the baptism of water for salvation according to the Bible ( John 2:5).So in the Great Commission it is said that all need to enter the Church and it is also said that there are exceptions.This is false. There are no known exceptions to the Great Commission.

For Bishop Steven Lopes

There are known exceptions to the Great Commission.Theologically there are people who do not need Christ.Since there is salvation outside the Church.Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus is rejected. There is salvation outside the Church since the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to physically known cases instead of invisible persons in our reality.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

We also can see the double speak in the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 1257).

For Bishop Steven Lopes

It says all need the baptism of water for salvation( defacto) but some do not need to enter the Church.Why? Since God is not limited to the Sacraments.

This interpretation contradicts Tradition and other Catechisms.The false premise is used.

Lionel:

But 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' is a reference to a hypothetical state. It is not defacto known in personal cases. So for me there is no confusion between what is visible and invisible, objective and hypothetical, explicit and implicit. This was the error of Bishop Steven Lopes.

For me there is no contradiction in CCC 1257. It does not contradict the dogma EENS since 'God is' not limited to the Sacraments refers to a hypothetical and physically invisible state for us humans.

VATICAN COUNCIL II (LUMEN GENTIUM 16 )

For Bishop Steven Lopes

Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) refers to a practical exception to 16th century EENS.He is not a Feeneyite. He implies that LG 16 is a reference to a known person.It refers for him, to a visible case in Newton's time and space.It is an exception to EENS and the rest of Tradition.

Lionel:

For me LG 16 is always a hypothetical case.So it does not contradict Tradition. There is no hemeneutic of rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.

So we have two interpretations of the Great Commission, the Creeds, the Catechisms and Vatican Council II.The bishop who excommunicated Fr. Vaughn Treco uses the irrational option. It is heretical and schismatic.-Lionel Andrades

PRIEST EXCOMMUNICATED, PARISH CLOSED AFTER CRITICISM OF CONCILIAR POPES

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/anglican-ordinariate-priest-excommunicated-parish-closed-after-criticism-of-conciliar-popes

APRIL 8, 2021

The Lefebvrists, Thucs and Feeneyites are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise like Bishop Steven J. Lopes is the first bishop of the Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter and pastor to all its members and clergy in the United States and Canada. So nothing can be done by them regarding the case of Fr. Vaughn Treco

The Lefebvrists, Thucs and Feeneyites are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise like Bishop Steven J. Lopes the first bishop of the Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter and pastor to all its members and clergy in the United States and Canada.