Thursday, May 13, 2021

Pope Francis had to close down the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary and force the seminarians to study at the pontifical universities in Rome.There they had to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion.They had to accept this leftist, political interpretation of the Council .Now they teach it to others

 Pope Francis may speak about the love of Christ but he is not allowed to meet Matteo Salvini.That's the bottom line.

Some time back Pope Benedict was not allowed to meet the Iranian political leader who was in Rome.

Pope Francis is also not allowed  to meet in Rome with visiting Jewish Orthodox rabbis who oppose abortion and homosexual unions.

Messianic Jews could find it difficult  to get admission in a pontifical university in Rome. It is the same for me. I am not allowed to study at pontifical universities since I interpret Vatican Council II with the blue passages(traditional/rational interpretation).So there is no rupture with Tradition and I do not have to reject Vatican Council II.

Pope Francis had to close down the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary and force the seminarians to study at the pontifical universities in Rome.There they had to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion(the red passages).They had to accept this leftist, political interpretation of the Council.Now they teach it to others. -Lionel Andrades







BAPTISM OF DESIRE, BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

FOR THE NATIONAL CATECHECTICAL CENTER,ITALY AND POPE FRANCIS

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

FOR ME:

Rational Premise

The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically invisible cases in 1949-2021
They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.They are not examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

Rational Conclusion
They do not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.They do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.
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FOR THE NATIONAL CATECHECTICAL CENTER,ITALY AND POPE FRANCIS.

VATICAN COUNCIL II
Fake premise
Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium 14(Baptism of Desire), Lumen Gentium 16 (Invincible ignorance) etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Pope Paul VI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, made an objective error.


FOR ME:

VATICAN COUNCIL II

Rational Premise
 Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium  14 and Lumen Gentium 16  in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-L.A

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THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH


Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 
 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Ad Gentes 7


FOR THE NATIONAL CATECHECTICAL CENTER AND POPE FRANCIS:
The passages in red are practical exceptions to the passage in blue

FOR ME:
The passage in red refers to a hypothetical case only and so it is not a practical exception to the orthodox passage in blue . It does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus , the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

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847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

FOR THE NATIONAL CATECHECTICAL CENTER AND POPE FRANCIS:

The passages in red contradict the passage in blue from Ad Gentes 7 which is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church n.846(above).

FOR ME:
The passages in red refer to hypothetical cases and so are not objective exceptions to the orthodox passage in blue.So the Catechism of the Catholic Church does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS, for me.
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There are two interpretations of the Nicene Creed too. Most Catholics hold the irrational version.

 

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed


1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.

Or.

2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).-Lionel Andrades

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My interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed is different from yours. The Creeds are no more a sign of unity in the Catholic Church since there can be two interpretations.

 


The Creeds are no  more a sign of unity in the Church since there can be two interpretations. The line marked in red is now controversial.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints..- Apostles Creed

The confusion came into the Church during the Fr. Leonard Feeney case when unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were considered objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So the New Theology said there is salvation outside the Church; known salvation, while the past Magisterium would state over the centuries that outside the Church there is no salvation.

So for me,the the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church today ( Ad Gentes 7, Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 etc) that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and all must accept Jesus and his teachings in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell and go to Heaven.


While for other Catholics in church the new teaching is that the Holy Spirit teaches the Church today that outside the Church there is salvation and all do not need to be members of the Church ,to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

For me being in communion with the saints means affirming the past interpretation of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance which was rational. It did not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS.

Those who recite the Apostles Creed in the Church today are in a rupture theologically and doctrinally with the Apostles, the Church Fathers, the saints of the Middle Ages and the saints before the 1940s.The saints like  Maximillian Kolbe who held the strict interpretation of EENS and affirmed the Athanasius Creed too.

Most Catholics are in a break with the saints, since today they interpret being saved with the the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, as examples of practical exceptions to EENS. Catholics have to choose to believe in BOD and I.I or EENS. So they contradict the past saints.I can accept both-BOD and I.I and EENS- and I do not have to choose. The BOD and I.I are invisible cases for me in 2021 but the rest of the Church implies that they are visible. So they become practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for them but not for me.

For me the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) made an objective mistake which was overlooked at Vatican Council II. The present two popes and many traditionalists, accept the LOHO with the mistake and do not correct it.

The Nicene Creed affirms the necessity of the baptism of water for the forgiveness of sins and the Athanasius Creed says outside the Church there is no salvation.

  • There was no error in the Athanasian Creed. The error was there in the Rahner-Ratzinger new theology which assumes there is known salvation outside the Church. This is the innovation. It is interpreting the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Cushingism ( there are known exceptions to EENS) and rejecting traditional Feeneyism as a theology( there are no known exceptions to EENS).
  • We simply have to use Feeneyism as a theology once again, as did the 16th century missionaries. Then the Athanasius Creed is not contradicted.
  • There is no change in the Nicene Creed too ( I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins ( and not three).
  • Vatican Council II also becomes  traditional with the Feeneyite theology. Since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc refer to invisible cases and so they do not contradict the Athanasian Creed.-Lionel Andrades

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Lionel Andrades
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission
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  • MAY 8, 2021

    In Italy the National Catechetical Center's interpretation of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church is non Magisterial. There is no denial from them. It's the same with Pope Francis. They use a false premise  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/in-italy-national-catechetical-centers.html


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