Sunday, July 18, 2021

The official interpretation of Vatican Council II is schismatic

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1/14 The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines schism as “the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.” There is always a choice: submit or rebel. 

Lionel: That choice is also there before Pope Francis and Pope Benedict. They interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise create an artificial rupture with Tradition and rebel against the past Magisterium, which did not use the false premise to interpret  Magisterial documents, like the present two popes.


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2/14 Prophets & saints & faithful people always submit (sometimes patiently, suffering in silence, and sometimes vindicated by history). Schismatics always refuse to submit. 

Lionel : Pope Francis is interpreting Vatican Council II with false premise creating a rupture with the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation. He is changing the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed when he re-interprets the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance with the irrational option.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is put aside and so also the ecumenism of return of the Syllabus of Errors. This is not only schism and heresy this is apostasy. He is rejecting most of the de fide teachings of the Catholic Church. What is left ? Nothing.

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3/14 To claim that #TraditionisCustodes will push some traditionalists into leaving the Church means only they were already in schism, but claiming not to be, in spite of the incessant anti-papal, anti-Vatican II rhetoric pouring from their blogs and websites. 

Lionel : They have before them two popes who are interpreting Vatican Council II with an objective lie, which they can avoid. The two popes are in manifest public sin when they reject the original interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and throw out the Athanasius Creed.


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4/14 Liturgical abuses post-V2 are not the *cause* of this schism but its *pretext*. Like B16, Francis deplores the “abuses in the celebration of the liturgy”. But such abuses do not justify “a rejection not only of the liturgical reform, but of the Vatican Council II itself”. 

 Lionel: 

There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it.One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial. It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.1   -Lionel Andrades

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