There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other irrational and this could be the subject of an intervew or article by Eric Sammons and John Henry Weston.

 

There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other irrational and this could be the subject of an intervew or article by Eric Sammons and John Henry Weston.

In the their recent interview Sammons cited the Bible to show that Jesus and the Catholic Church, membership in the Catholic Church, are necessary for salvation.

For example, on the Road to Damascus , Jesus says, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me ?” Saul was persecuting the Church. Jesus identified with the Church, the Catholic Church.This is the Church which has given us the Bible, from which Sammon was quoting.

In Vatican Council II ( Ad Gentes 7) it is written that all need faith and baptism for salvation. The word All is there.With the rational interpretation of Vatican Council II, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, being hypothetical and invisible in the present times(2021) cannot be practical exceptions to AG 7 or outside the Church there is no salvation(CCC 846).There are not practical exceptions to the word 'all'.

The baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I), being only speculative and not formally known examples of salvations. They never were practical exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to St. Ignatius of Loyola and the Jesuits of his time.

So this is a Vatican Council II with 1 ) LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc invisible and hypothetical only ( as I see it) and then 2) there is the common interpretation with LG 8, LG 14 , UR 3 etc seen as physically visible and personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and baptism.

Sammons and Weston have to show that when popes and cardinals choose the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II it cannot be Magisterial. The Holy Spirit will not call something invisible as being visible and then create a New Theology based upon this error in observation. An empirical error of observation.

Yet the New Evangelisation and New Ecumenism is based upon this error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.

So there is a Vatican Council II in harmony with outside the Church there is no salvation and there is a Vatican Council II which is a rupture with Tradition in general and in partcular the salvation-dogma.

In Traditionis Custode and Amoris Laetitia, Pope Francis was interpreting Vatican Council II with LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 , UR 3 etc being physically visible and personally known cases in 1965-2021.This is a major mistake.This is irrational.It is deceptive. If any one was saved as such it would only be known to God.The norm for salvation in the Catholic Church has always been faith and the baptism of water.The norm is not LG 8,LG 16 etc.The baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are not the norm.

There is no Extraordinary Way of Salvation known to us practically. If there were exceptions for the norm it would only be known to God.Here SSPX priests  make a mistake when they refer to the Extraordinary Way of salvation.This was the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which says that not every one needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church for salvation and cites BOD and I.I as practical exceptions.

So when we confuse what is theoretical as being practical, it becomes irrational. So the false premise then creates a non traditional conclusion, which is not Magisterial, even if it is supported by the popes.

There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II and the popes and bishops must choose the rational option.We then go back to traditional mission-doctrines.We read Ad Gentes  and Lumen Gentium, the entire text,differently. The red ( passages which refer to the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance) are not exceptions to the blue ( passages which support orthodoxy). –Lionel Andrades

JULY 30, 2021

In John Henry Weston’s interview of Eric Sammons on outside the Church there is no salvation there is no mention of Traditionis Custode and its direct link to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/07/in-john-henry-westons-interview-of-eric.html

JULY 29, 2021

All the pontifical universities are not interpreting Vatican Council II with the rational premise and neither is Joseph Shaw

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/07/all-pontifical-universities-are-not.html