THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2021
Dr. Taylor Marshall says that it is important for the Ecclesia Dei communities to affirm the faith as approved by the Magisterium.But here is the catch.The popes, have changed doctrine and theology with the use of an irrational premise. So the past Faith is no more there for the liberals but also the Ecclesia Dei communities
Taylor Marshall says that it is important for the Ecclesia Dei communities to affirm the faith as approved by the Magisterium.But here is the catch.The popes, have changed doctrine and theology with the use of an irrational premise. So the past Faith is no more there for the liberals but also the Ecclesia Dei communities.
Pope Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise instead of a rational premise. He had a choice and he chose the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. He chose the irrational interpretation.The Ecclesia Dei communities are doing the same.
So where is their Faith ? It is not there. The false premise is something real. This is something evident. It is there in black and white. Any one can check it out.It is not a personal theology or theory of mine.
With the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II there is a new interpretation of the Creeds.Now there are two interpretations, one is rational and the other is irrational.There are two interpretations at the Profession of Faith. There are two interpretations of the Oath Against Modernism.
This is not personal view. Any one can interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as referring to physically visible or physically invisible cases in 1965-2021 and your inference and conclusion will be different.
If they are physically invisible cases then they cannot be objective exceptions to the past ecclesiocentrism.
Since they are physically visible for the popes they become practical exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism.
But common sense tells us that there are no physically visible cases of being saved with the baptism of desire ( LG 14).This was observed by Bishop Athanasius Schneider. He said there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. He told this to Dr. Taylor Marshal in a previous video.
The Ecclesia Dei communities with the false premise, change the interpretation of the Creeds.They also outright rejected the Athanasius Creed.This was the same error of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. He interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise. He interpreted the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, with the false premise. He interpreted extra ecclesiam nulla salus, with the false premise.With the false premise he projected practical exceptions to the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.
The Ecclesia Dei communities are in a way, Archbishop Lefebvre's legacy, even Taylor Marshall acknowledges it.The popes since Pius XII interpreted the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance with the false premise.
With the false premise Archbishop Lefebvre and these Ecclesia Dei communities, and the liberals, re-interpreted the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance as being exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
In other words what is invisible was projected as being visible.So practical exceptions are projected for the past understanding of the Creeds. This is innovation and not Tradition.It is the popes who are in schism.They are in public heresy. It is there in black and white. They are interpreting LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc as being visible exceptions to the past ecclesiocentrism, which they have made obsolete for political reasons.
They are not affirming the dogma EENS like the missionaries of the 16th century but like Pope Paul VI and Pope Francis.They have lost the Faith.They do not deny it in public and the rest of the Catholic Church is following them.There is no denial. They often agree with me.
They have lost the Faith. They are not traditionalists but liberals like Pope Francis. Just because they offer the Latin Mass, it does not make them traditionalists, as they are called by the liberal media.-Lionel Andrades
https://taylormarshall.com/2021/09/746-fssp-icksp-cave-francis-latin-mass-orders-respond-popes-restriction-tlm-podcast.html
SEPTEMBER 9, 2021
I want the Ecclesia Dei communities to know that they can interpret Vatican Council II with a rational or irrational premise and the conclusion will be different. It will be traditional or non traditional. This hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition does not depend upon Pope Francis or the CDF. The issue is the rational premise
SEPTEMBER 9, 2021
The Superior Generals of the Ecclesia Dei communities are not proclaiming the Catholic Faith- on faith and morals. They are not interpreting Vatican Council II in harmony with the past Magisterium.They do not want to die as martrys.
AUGUST 31, 2021
France, Germany, Poland, Hungary... need to re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally : USA and Britain also must use the rational premise
taylormarshall.com/2020/02/375-bp-athanasius-schneider-dr-taylor-marshall-discuss-theology-liturgy-podcast.html
AUGUST 31, 2021
Pope Francis is in schism with the past Magisterium which did not interpret the baptism of desire as being a literal case. So for them there were no exceptions to the traditionalist exclusivist ecclesiology.Bishop Athanasius Schneider told Dr. Taylor Marshall in an interview that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire.This is a complete U-turn with the common interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc).
AUGUST 31, 2021
Pope Benedict has always supported the German Synod with his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II. Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall have overturned the interpretation. For the German bishops Lumen Gentium 14( the baptism of desire) is an exception to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For Schneider and Marshall it is not
AUGUST 30, 2021
AUGUST 29, 2021
Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall say there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire but the German Synodal path is based upon there being literal cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) in the present times
AUGUST 8, 2021
This is official schism, ecclesiastic schism. Pope Francis and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith must issue a correction and admit they are wrong
We have a pope in schism since he uses a false premise, instead of a rational one, to interpret Vatican Council II and so create a false break with Tradition. With the false premise, exceptions are created for the Athanasius Creed ( all need Catholic faith for salvation), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions) and the Syllabus of Errors with no exceptions.This is official schism with the past Magisterium.It is created by confusing hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being non hypothetical but objective examples of salvation outside the Church, when such cases do not exist in our reality and can only be known to God.
How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake and confuse what is invisible as being visible, implicit as being explicit and hypothetical as being objective ? It means non Catholics saved in Heaven, allegedly outside the Catholic Church; without faith and the baptism of water, are also visible on earth for them to be practical exceptions to the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.They are in two places at the same time i.e in Heaven and on earth and are physically visible ? If they were not physically visible there could not be exceptions for EENS, the Creed and the Syllabus of Errors.
This is official schism, ecclesiastic schism. Pope Francis and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith must issue a correction and admit they are wrong. – Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 7, 2021
Pope Francis is in schism-Vatican Council II is being interpreted with a fake premise to create a fake rupture with Tradition . Traditionis Custode also imposes the error : The error needs to be corrected with the rational premise
POPE FRANCIS IS IN SCHISM - VATICAN COUNCIL II IS BEING INTERPRETED WITH A FAKE PREMISE TO CREATE A FAKE RUPTURE WITH TRADITION: TRADITIONIS CUSTODE ALSO IMPOSES THE ERROR : THE ERROR NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED WITH THE RATIONAL PREMISE.
Pope Francis was in schism at the National Cathechectical Center, Italy (Jan 30,2021) when he said that Vatican Council II had to be accepted as he interpreted it i.e with a fake premise.He said that his interpretation of Vatican Council II( with the fake premise) which produces a rupture with the past Magisterium- was Magisterial.
He reiterated that the interpretation of the Council with the false premise, which produces a rupture with the Athansius Creed( all need Catholic faith for salvation),changes the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed( we believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins which exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church hence there are exceptions for EENS), and a re-interpretation of the Catechisms – was the Magisterium.
This is schism since with the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II there is a break with ‘the true Church’ represented by the Creeds, Catechisms, dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and other Magisterial documents intepreted rationally.
To reject the Athanasius Creed and change the understanding of the Nicene and Apostles Creed, is first class heresy, in the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II(Ad Tuendum Fidem). It is schism in the Church.
This is a scandal.Pope Francis needs to go for Confession and recant.
He could announce that he interprets Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion and so there is no schism with the past Magisterium, the popes and saints on doctrine and dogma.In particular there is no break with the past ecclesiocenterism of the Catholic Church.
In this way Pope Francis would return to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology without rejecting Vatican Council II, interpreted with the rational premise.
Pope Francis says in the Letter which accompanies Traditionis Custode :
A recent stage of this dynamic was constituted by Vatican Council II where the Catholic episcopate came together to listen and to discern the path for the Church indicated by the Holy Spirit. To doubt the Council is to doubt the intentions of those very Fathers who exercised their collegial power in a solemn manner cum Petro et sub Petro in an ecumenical council, and, in the final analysis, to doubt the Holy Spirit himself who guides the Church.- Letter of Pope Francis which accompanies Traditionis Custode.
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition and he calls it the work of the Holy Spirit.
How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake and use a false premise to interpret LG 14( baptism of desire) and LG 16( invincible ignorance),for example ?
For me LG 14 and LG 16 refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases always. They are always speculative and not real people saved outside the Church in the present times, 1965-2021. This is something obvious.
How can LG 14, LG 16 etc be exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed and Syllabus of Errors ? Yet this is how he interprets Vatican Council II and it is different from the rational way I interpret the Council.I consider the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the rational premise Magisterial, since it is not a rupture with the past Magisterium. Pope Francis cannot say the same.
EIGHTY TWO YEARS BACK
Eighty two years back Pope Pius XII allowed doctrine and dogma to be changed in the Catholic Church in exchange for peace and security. He did not defend Fr. Leonard Feeney and allowed the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to say that unknown cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance were known exceptions to the centuries old strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). EENS was based upon the Bible teachings in John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
So the New Theology was outside the Church there is salvation.
This meant the teachings on ecumenism, other religions, Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation and exclusive salvation would have to change.The Zionists could be present in 1960-1965 at Vatican Council II.The Church had surrendered.
Then non Catholics were allowed to be professors at the pontifical universities in Rome, beginning with the John Lateran University.
In 1949, the time of surrender, the popes Benedict, John Paul II and Francis were young.They became cardinals in a Church, which was separated from the State because of a change in doctrine in 1949.
Now if that doctrine is restored to its original, with a rational premise, we have an ecumenism of return, 16th century EENS, the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislatioin and the non separation of Church and State based on the there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So the priority would be that all be formal members of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
It means we do not not reject Vatican Council II but re interpret it in harmony with the pre-1949 Catholic Churh. We undo what was lost 82 years back.The Council is no more an ally of the liberals.
With the error Pope Francis and the liberals and even traditionalists are maintaining division in the Church.
JOHN HENRY WESTON AND SBC AND SSPX
John Henry Weston had a good program recently on the subject outside the Church there is no salvation .He can now work for creating unity in the Catholic Church but also answer if Pope Francis is in public schism.
The Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) accepts extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with exceptions and the St. Benedict Centers(SBC) accept EENS with no exceptions.Both groups are Catholic.
For the SSPX, the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance (I.I) are exceptions for EENS and for the SBC they are not exceptions.
If you discuss this issue with either of them they will go into their specific theology, defending the founders of their communities.
How can we create unity betweem these two groups ? One of them has to be wrong on doctrine.Similarly Pope Francis or I am in error on this issue.
The SSPX will cite the present two popes who project the BOD and I.I as exceptions to EENS. The SBC will cite the past popes, many of them, who did not project BOD and I.I as exceptions to EENS.
Now after Vatican Council II(1965) and the Fr. Leonard Feeney case in Boston (1949) we know that there are no physically visible cases of the BOD and I.I in our reality.We cannot see or meet any one saved outside the Church with BOD and I.I. So BOD and I.I could not have been practical exceptions to EENS in 1949 or 1965.Someone made a mistake.
It was only be confusing what was speculative (BOD and I.I) as being non speculative and objective, that practical exceptions ( visible cases of being saved with BOD and I.I) were created for EENS.In this way the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church was made obsolete.Ths is the point that John Henry Weston, Editor in Chief at Life Site News, must bring out in questions and discussions with the SSPX and SBC.
It will have a direct bearing on how he personally will interprets Vatican Council II.Will LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II be exceptions for EENS or will they not be exceptions, for him ?
Is Pope Francis rational or irrational on Vatican Council II ? Is there schism or no schism ? What does he think?. The interpretation of Vatican Council II by Peter Kwasniewski, Fr.John Zuhlsdorf and Michael Matt is also schismatic and so is the interpretation of the FSSP and SSPX.So they overlook the schism of Pope Francis, when he also interprets the Council with an irrational premise,to create a calculated break with Tradition( EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors etc) and the traditionalists and liberals do the same. -Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 6, 2021
When Archbishop Augustine di Noia interprets Vatican Council II with the common false premise it is not Magisterial. The Holy Spirit cannot confuse hypothetical cases as being objective and visible in the present times (2021) and then reject Tradition, exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, the Creeds, Catechisms,EENS etc. This is a type of official apostasy.
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