Thursday, December 9, 2021

Bishop Bernard Fellay supported doctrinal chaos

 


Bishop Bernard Felly still uses the False Premise to interpret the baptism of desire (BOD) and invincible ignorance (I.I) and so he rejects 15th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which was a dogma which did not mention any exceptions.

1.So in all Magisterial Documents in which BOD and I.I are mentioned his inference and conclusion is non traditional and irrational.The dogma EENS and the Syllabus of Errors are made obsolete. The Catechism of Pope Pius IX would contradict itself ( 29Q ( ignorance) would contradict 24Q and 27Q ( outside the Church there is no salvation).

I avoid the False Premise in the interpretation of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance which I accept theoretically. So there are no practical exceptions for the traditional strict interpretation of EENS which I affirm.BOD and I.I are not exceptions to EENS for me. I can affirm BOD and I.I and also EENS. Bishop Fellay has to choose between the two since BOD and I.I are visible exceptions for him.

2.Bishop Fellay also uses the False Premise (hypothetical cases are practically visible n the present times) to interpret BOD and I.I and so there are exceptions for the Athanasius Creed. It says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation. It does not mention any exceptions.

I avoid the False Premise (invisible people are visible) in the interpretation of BOD and I.I and so there are no exceptions for the Athanasius Creed for me in 2021. Hypothetical cases of LG 14 (BOD) and LG 16 (I.I) do not contradict the Athanasius Creed for me. I can affirm BOD and I.I and also the Athanasius Creed. I do not have to choose. But for Bishop Bernard Fellay and the liberal popes it is either-or.

3.Bishop Fellay uses the False Premise ( people in Heaven are seen on earth) to interpret BOD and I.I and so he rejects the original understanding of the Nicene Creed where it states, ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins ‘and ‘I believe in one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church’.

I avoid the False Premise (the baptism of desire refers to visible and known people saved) in the interpretation of BOD and I.I.So the understanding of the Nicene Creed does not change. For me all need one, visible baptism, the baptism of water for the forgiveness of sins and for salvation (CCC 1257 The Necessity of Baptism). For me it is not three visible baptisms (desire, blood and ignorance) which exclude the baptism of water (and so are made exceptions for traditional EENS).

4.For Bishop Fellay and the SSPX it has always been three visible baptisms. Physically invisible baptisms could not be practical exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. Yet they had to promote this irrationality for political and other reasons.

So I believe in one physically visible baptism for the forgiveness of sins; for Sanctifying Grace and for salvation, while Bishop Fellay believes in the existence of three or more visible baptisms. He confuses what is invisible as being visible, implicit as being explicit and subjective as being objective. This is a philosophical error. An error in observation. 5.It creates a New Theology which says outside the Church there is salvation – since there are known exceptions. The False Premise produces a False Inference.It is with the New Theology that he interprets Vatican Council II and then rejects the expected non traditional conclusion.He does not interpret the Council with the Rational Premise which has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

5.Now he officially supports doctrinal chaos.

This was not the teaching of the Apostles, the Church Fathers, the Medieval Fathers and the Magisterium before the 1930’s since it is common sense that BOD and I.I are always unknown and  invisible for us human beings and can only be known to God.

St. Thomas Aquinas held the strict interpretation of EENS and said that if there was a man in the forest who in was in  ignorance and was to be saved, God would send a preacher to him. He was referring to a hypothetical case who would be saved with the baptism of water.

St. Francis Xavier said that God had sent back to earth people who had died without the baptism of water,only  to be baptized by him. He was referring to specific people who could not go to Heaven without the baptism of water.

6.For Bishop Fellay and also for Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre there were exceptions for EENS since there were exceptions for Pope Pius XII who accepted the False Premise in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston(LOHO).They both accepted the LOHO with its objective error.

The same objective mistake is made with the use of the Fake Premise, by Bishop Joseph Pfieffer and the SSPX (Resistance) and the sedevacantist communities of Bishop Donald Sanborn and Bishop Mark Pivarunas. -Lionel Andrades


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 APRIL 28, 2017

Bishop Fellay does not realize that he is confused between Feeneyism and Cushingism

The dogma “Outside the Church there is no salvation” has been changed surreptitiously by confused ideas wrote Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX).(Letters to Friends and Benefactors N.87)1 He does not realize that it is he, who is confused between Cushingism and Feeneyism in the interpretation of the dogma. That same confusion he extends to Vatican Council II.He then makes the same error in the interpretation of the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995).

Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.

Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.


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 So when he interprets invincible ignorance in the Catechism of Pope Pius X he assumes it refers to a visible case and so is an exception to outside the Church no salvation ( Feeneyite).
When I interpret invincible ignorance for example, in the Catechism of Pope Pius X it refers to an invisible case.
For Father Pier Paulo Petrucci, Superior, SSPX, Italy the baptism of desire refers to a visible case. So Vatican Council II has a rupture with the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation( Feeneyite).He is a Cushingite like Bishop Bernard Fellay.
For me Lionel, the baptism of desire and blood with or without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church refers to a physically invisible case. So it cannot be relevant or an exception to the dogma EENS, as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.2 
Bishop Bernard Fellay could also clarify that I Lionel Andrades interpret Vatican Council II without an irrational premise and so my conclusion is different from his and the SSPX bishops and priests.It is the same with the dogma EENS.
 This is Vatican Council II Feeneyite for me with these diagrams.

-Lionel Andrades

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January 12, 2016
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If the SSPX bishops and Fr.Pierpaulo Petrucci would admit that the baptism of desire refers to invisible cases in 2016, the entire interpretation of Vatican Council changes : error in the article


Fr. Pier Paolo Petrucci, Superior General,SSPX ,Italy makes the familiar SSPX error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/fr-pier-paolo-petrucci-superior.html
JULY 20, 2015

No response from Fraternita Sacerdotale San Pio X (SSPX Italy) : doctrinal messhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/07/no-response-from-fraternita-sacerdotale.html

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October 18, 2012

 

 

October 19, 2012

RAMPANT HERESY IN THE SSPX

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/rampant-heresy-in-sspx.html


SSPX DISTRICT ITALY CONFERENCE ON VATICAN COUNCIL II TO USE THE FALSE PREMISE

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/repost-bishop-fellay-does-not-realize.html

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Bishop Bernard Fellay interprets Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and conclusion : there is an option, a rational conclusion of which he is unaware of.http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/bishop-bernard-fellay-interprets.html

September 25, 2016

Bishop Fellay's understanding and interpretation of Vatican Council II is heretical.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/the-letter-of-holy-office-1949-has_25.html
September 11, 2016

Cardinal Muller, Archbishop Di Noia and Bishop Fellay's theology is based on invisible cases being visible, what is not seen as being seen

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/cardinal-muller-archbishop-di-noia-and.html
June 14, 2016

SSPX doctrinal position is politically correct and heretical : Bishop Fellay interprets EENS and Vatican Council II assuming hypothetical cases are objectively known in the present times.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/sspx-doctrinal-position-is-politically.html
June 11, 2016

Apologists Mons. Clifford Fenton, Fr.William Most and Fr. John Hardon considered implicit cases as being explicit: traditionalists agree any one who does this is wronghttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/apologists-mons-clifford-fenton.html

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CARDINAL GERHARD MULLER : SEES HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES AS BEING EXPLICIT IN THE PRESENT TIMES.
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That has been discussed, but here, too, there has been a development of all that was said in the Church, beginning with St. Cyprian, one of the Fathers of the Church, in the third century. Again, the perspective is different between then and now. In the third century, some Christian groups wanted to be outside the Church, and what St. Cyprian said is that without the Church a Christian cannot be savedThe Second Vatican Council also said this: Lumen Gentium 14 says: “Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.” He who is aware of the presence of Revelation is obliged by his conscience to belong publicly — and not only in his conscience, in his heart — to this Catholic Church by remaining in communion with the Pope and those bishops in communion with him.
But we cannot say that those who are inculpably ignorant of this truth are necessarily condemned for that reason. We must hope that those who do not belong to the Church through no fault of their own, but who follow the dictates of their God-given conscience, will be saved by Jesus Christ whom they do not yet know. Every person has the right to act according to his or her own conscience. - Cardinal Gerhard Muller (10/02/2012 ). Archbishop Gerhard Müller: 'The Church Is Not a Fortress', National Catholic Register  http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-mueller-the-church-is-not-a-fortress/#ixzz3pwkg3Mur

ARCHBISHOP AUGUSTINE DO NOIA : ASSUMES WHAT IS KNOWN ONLY TO GOD CAN BE KNOWN AND JUDGED BY US HUMAN BEINGS.

I don’t know if you can blame this on the Council so much as the emergence of a theological trend that emphasized the possibility of salvation of non-Christians. But the Church has always affirmed this, and it has never denied it. …The Council did say there are elements of grace in other religions, and I don’t think that should be retracted. I’ve seen them, I know them — I’ve met Lutherans and Anglicans who are saints.' - Archbishop Augustine di Noia ( 07/01/2012 ), Archbishop Di Noia, Ecclesia Dei and the Society of St. Pius X, National Catholic Register.


http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-dinoia-ecclesia-dei-and-the-society-of-st.-pius-x/#ixzz3Q1Vx3byR


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 BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY  ASSUMES THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES KNOWN ONLY TO GOD ARE EXPLICIT IN THE PRESENT TIMES AND RELEVANT TO EENS

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The same declaration (LG, 8) also recognizes the presence of “salvific elements” in non-Catholic Christian communities. The decree on ecumenism goes even further, adding that “the Spirit of Christ does not refrain from using these churches and communities as means of salvation, which derive their efficacy from the fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church.” (UR, 3)
Such statements are irreconcilable with the dogma “No salvation outside of the Church, which was reaffirmed by a Letter of the Holy Office on August 8, 1949". -Bishop Bernard Fellay  (April 13, 2014 ) Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82
http://www.dici.org/en/documents/letter-to-friends-and-benefactors-no-82/

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Here are the controversial passages again


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/here-are-controversial-passages-again.html


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