The Council is missonary. Vatican Council II supports the traditional mission approach based upon exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. Outside the Church there is no salvation says Vatican Council II in Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) while LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc being hypothetical, are not objective exceptions for AG 7 and neither for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). The Council is Feeneyite and not Cushingite.There can only be one rational and traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II. We cannot interpret Vatican Council II with the common False Premise and ignore the Rational Premise. There are now two interpretations of the Council, the Creeds, Catechisms etc-it is with or without the rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.With the Rational Premise the theology at Holy Mass in Latin and the vernacular is the same.The ecclesiology is exclusivist before and after Vatican Council II.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says all need faith and baptism for salvation (CCC 846) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. Non Catholics do not have Catholic faith at the time of death, they do not believe in the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Church. Non Christians also have not received the baptism of water.
In general non Catholics are oriented to Catholic Church for salvation (CDF, Notification, Dupuis 2001).If anyone is saved outside the Catholic Church it would only be known to God. In Heaven there are only Catholics.
This is the traditional de fide teaching of the Church supported
by the Bible, Magisterium and Sacred Scripture and also by Vatican Council
II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, interpreted rationally.
Catholics are the new chosen people of God ( Nostra Aetate 4). They are
the new elect. They have the Jewish Messiah, in his Mystical Body the Church
and they are saved through the grace of his Sacrifice, their fidelity in living
in the Gospel teachings and avoiding mortal sins of faith and morals.
There is no known salvation outside the
Catholic Church, we cannot meet or see someone who will be saved without faith
and the baptism of water. The norm for salvation from Hell is faith and baptism.
The norm is not the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance. So when we meet
a non Catholic we know he is lost forever unless he joins the Catholic Church,
Jesus’ Mystical Body, with its traditional teachings which does not change.He must not die with un-Confessed mortal sins on his soul.
The Sacraments are an aid and necessity
for salvation. Jesus saves through the Sacraments.
We are sinful people because of the
Original Sin of Adam and Eve but Jesus has redeemed and expiated for us, through
his Death and Resurrection. He will come again and there will be a Day of
Judgement.The popes may change but the teachings of the Catholic Church do not
change since objective reality, Heaven and Hell do not change.
Hell has fire we are told in the old and
new Testaments. Jesus mentions Hell many times.
God is merciful and wants all in Heaven
but God is also Just and allows those who choose Satan, through bad faith and
morals, to go there for all eternity.
So we have the Great Commission to go
out in the whole world and proclaim the Good News of salvation in only Jesus in
the Catholic Church, which is the Church of the Early Catholics (Christians)
and the Church Fathers. Those who believe in Jesus and live Jesus’ teachings
during their life will be saved. Those who do not will be condemned.
Most people go to Hell, since they die
outside the Catholic Church, the original Church of Jesus, and the Church of
the Patristic times. They go to, where the Bible tells us, Lucifer and his angels in
rebellion, were sent and are there for all eternity.
To be saved from Hell one has to be a
Catholic. It is not enough to vaguely be a Christian, we also have to follow the
faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church and choose not to sin. Through
absolution in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, the priest, absolves mortal sins and so restores Sanctifying Grace, a condition for
salvation.
God the Father wants all people to be
united in the Catholic Church, the Church is like the Ark of Noah that saves in
the flood (CCC 845)
Salvation is available for all in
general but to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church to gain from
Jesus’ Sacrifice, to receive their inheritance as children of God. All must be Catholic.
Though the Holy Spirit can act outside the visible boundaries of the Church,
salvation is restricted to only the Catholic Church.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus says Vatican Council II (Rational). -Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 1, 2009
WIKIPEDIA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ENTRY FULL OF CONFUSION
Roman Catholic interpretation
The Church's understanding of the significance of the phrase:"Outside the Church there is no salvation" is expressed in its Catechism of the Catholic Church, 846-848, 851 as follows:
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" - How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
"Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it" (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 14).
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and His Church: "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too may achieve eternal salvation" (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 16).
"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him (Hebrews 11:6), the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men" (Second Vatican Council, Ad Gentes, 1).Comment: Correct, for the de facto missionary activity of the Catholic Church.
Missionary Motivation. It is from God's love for all men that the Church in every age receives both the obligation and the vigor of her missionary dynamism, "for the love of Christ urges us on," (2 Corinthians 5:14; cf. Apostolicam actuositatem 6, Roman Missal 11). Indeed, God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4); that is, God wills the salvation of everyone through the knowledge of the truth. Salvation is found in the truth. Those who obey the prompting of the Spirit of truth are already on the way of salvation. But the Church, to whom this truth has been entrusted, must go out to meet their desire, so as to bring them the truth. Because she believes in God's universal plan of salvation, the Church must be missionary.
This conjunction of statements in the Catechism makes it clear that the Catholic Church sees the dogma "outside of the Church there is no salvation" as the basis for the missionary activity of the Church,
because those who are innocently outside the Church
Comment: De facto we do not know who are those ‘innocently outside’ the Catholic Church.
De jure there can be those who are ‘innocently outside the Church’ and who are known only to God.
So we must not allow ourselves to be confused here.
but are also seeking to follow the will of God are thus the proper object of the Church's missionary activity - so as to bring them explicitly the saving truths of the Christian Faith which they are seeking, and by which God desires to effect their salvation through the knowledge of Jesus Christ.Comment: And the only Church He founded outside of which there is no salvation.
And this is life everlasting that they know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom Thou hast sent." (John 17.3), "And there is not salvation in any other. For neither is there any other name under heaven given to men, wherein we must be saved." (Acts 4.12)Comment: Note Wikipidia has shifted from the Church to Jesus Christ.
The Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus the Bible tells us. So outside the Church there is no salvation. Everyone needs to enter.
The Catechism explicitly affirms this interpretation in paragraph 161 by insisting upon the necessity of actual faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.Comment: The Catechism also says that God the Father wishes all people to be united in the Catholic Church and to worship Him in the Catholic Church.
The Catechism also says that the Catholic Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood.
The Church is compared to a great door, according to the Catechism of the Catholic, using the example given by the Church Fathers.
Inculpable ignorance In its statements of this doctrine quoted above, the Church expressly teaches that "it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance is invincible, will not be held guilty of this in the eyes of God" (Singulari Quadam), that "outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control" (Singulari Quidem), that "they who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion and who, zealously keeping the natural law and its precepts engraved in the hearts of all by God, and being ready to obey God, live an honest and upright life, can, by the operating power of divine light and grace, attain eternal life" (Quanto Conficiamur Moerore).Comment:They are known to God and can be saved. They are the exceptions.
We know that the dogma teaches that all people de facto need to enter the Catholic Church. So in our evangelization, when meeting non Catholics we know that everyone without exception needs to enter the Catholic Church.
Inculpable ignorance is not a means of salvation.[6] But if by no fault of the individual ignorance cannot be overcome (if, that is, it is inculpable and invincible), it does not prevent the grace that comes from Christ, a grace that has a relationship with the Church, saving that person.Comment: Correct but this de jure salvation is not to be confused with de facto salvation.
Controversy for the Catholic ChurchThose who disagree with the Church's interpretation of the teaching "outside the Church there is no salvation" claim that the Church has contradicted itself in its teachings on faith and morals.Comment: There is no evidence for this claim. No Church Magisterial document can be cited.
They say that the medieval Church statements indicate that no person could possibly be saved unless a member of the physical Church on earth, and that this was the meaning intended by the Popes of the time, who made no "lenient statements" on the matter.Comment:Correct, de facto everyone needs to be a ‘member of the physical Church’ for salvation. This teaching pre-dated the medieval Church and is also there in the writings of the Church Fathers.
People like Father Leonard Feeney and traditionalists And also non Tradionalists Catholics who attend Holy Mass in the vernacular and accept Vatican Council II.Comment:And also the Magisterium of the Catholic Church (Letter of the Holy Office 1949, Dominus Iesus 21, CDF, Notification, Dupuis 2001 etc)
believe their understanding of the original doctrine to be correct and that, if the Church were now to teach that the salvation of non-Catholics is possible, it would contradict its earlier teaching, and would violate the doctrine of the Church's infallibility.Comment:Correct. Objective reality does not change. Hell would still be Hell. And mortal sin would still be real on the soul.
Some sedevacantists hold that the Second Vatican Council did in fact defect from the Church's infallible teaching,Comment:Since they interpret Vatican Council II not as a continuation of Sacred Tradition. Their interpretation is similar to that of the secular media.
And that what is today generally recognized as the Catholic Church is a counterfeit, which therefore is not infallible.Comment: The Catholic Church has not changed it s teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Even though enemies of the Church may want it to do so.
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2012
WIKIPEDIA SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICTS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SSPX AND THE VATICAN DO NOT PROTEST
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2017
Msgr. Fenton had it wrong on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
Msgr. Fenton - Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
He did not support Fr.Leonard Feeney and correct Pope Pius XII and Archbishop Lefebvre who assumed invisible cases of the baptism of desire etc were physically visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
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TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2019
Kiko Arguello and the Neo Catechumenal Way catechists do not know that magisterial documents do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS : parish catechesis begin
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