Sunday, May 15, 2022

If Fr. Georges de Laire and Damien Fischer in New Hampshire would interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then the CDF sanctions would also apply to them.

 It would be unethical if Judge Andrea Johnstone in her reasoning would use the False Premise , confusing what is invisible as being visible, implicit as being explicit,subjective as being objective- and then make inferences and conclusions.

The Judge in New Hampshire must be asked if she would interpret Vatican Council II with a False Premise ?

Since if Fr. Georges de Laire and Damien Fischer in New Hampshire would interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then the CDF sanctions would also apply to them.

Damien Fischer as a Catholic must be asked to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so affirm the strict interpretation of EENS like Brother Andre Marie micm.

So why should Catholics in New Hamsphire have to interpret Vatican Council II with a False Premise to avoid a Decree of Prohibitions from Fr. Laire ?

Why must the religious communities in New Hampshire interpret Vatican Council II with a False Premise to receive canonical recognition and avoid the Decree of Prohibitions ? This is unethical.


If Damien Fischer, for example, interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then he supports Feeneyite EENS and so merits the Decree of Prohibitions from Fr. Georges de Laire.

Now Fr. Georges de Laire is using the Cushingite theology of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Archbishop Pierre Thuc, which depended upon the False Premise.With Feeneyite theology which does not need the False Premise, and so goes back to the old exclusivist ecclesiology, Fr. Laire would have to affirm Feeneyite EENS.It would be the same for Bishop Libasci or the Catholic judiciay in New Hampshire.-Lionel Andrades


MAY 8, 2022

It is with the False Premise that Pope Francis wants to support liberalism, modernism, heresy and schism in the Church and he calls it ecclesial unity. This is leftist ideology brought into the liturgy

 

At the pontifical Institute of Liturgy, St. Anselm, Rome students have to learn how to interpret Vatican Council II with the False Premise only, so there is a false break with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and so they do not have to be taught how to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics. Since  Vatican Council II for the faculty is a break and not continuity with Tradition.

Instead with the False Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II alleged practical exceptions are created for the Syllabus of Errors of Pope PiusIX.

We know that with the Rational Premise there would be no exceptions in the text of the Council for the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed and 16th century EENS of the missionaries.

The teaching at St. Anselm is political and with the False Premise the faculty creates a calculated break with traditional ecclesiocentrism.So the students are not shown how to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King at Holy Mass.

 The Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics cannot be proclaimed at the Liturgical Institute since Vatican Council II is interpreted with the False Premise. The False Premise is obligatory to project false exceptions for the traditional theology on their being exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

It is with the False Premise that Pope Francis wants to support liberalism, modernism, heresy and schism in the Church and he calls it ecclesial unity. This is leftist ideology brought into the liturgy and the Church. -Lionel Andrades



APRIL 27, 2022

Recapping the Jordan Peterson Dialogue : both use the False Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents


FEBRUARY 5, 2020

FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS)










-Lionel Andrades
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NOVEMBER 2, 2016

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.


IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2016.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2016.There is no personally known case.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.
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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
-Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/repost-when-irrational-premise-is-used.html

SUNDAY, AUGUST 22, 2021

The mainstream Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church

 

The mainstream  Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church.






Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.


Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine 

of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-

IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2021.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2021.There is no personally known case.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.

When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades










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MAY 5, 2022

If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then the Council becomes Traditional and he supports Tradition and the Catholic Church becomes Traditional

 If Pope Francis pinterprets Vc2 with the Rational Premise then the Council becomes Traditional and he supports Tradition, and the Church becomes Traditional.- Lionel Andrades 

WE HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF 

VATICAN COUNCIL II : YOURS AND MINE


Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

Twitter : @LionelAndrades1

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