In Vatican Council II Ad
Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed and the
Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching,
and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is
His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the
necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time
confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a
door.-Ad Gentes 7
This Sacred
Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing
itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now
sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to
us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of
salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism
(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through
baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14
Mean while LG 8, LG 14, LG
16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are not objective
exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed, and the Syllabus of Errors. So
the Council supports the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church and there is no
known exceptions.1
Also there is no confusion
within the text of Vatican Council II. The
Red is not an exception to the Blue.
Therefore, all
must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be
incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For
Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith
and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the
necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though
aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary,
still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in
ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find
that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor.
9:16). - Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE.
This is how
I interpret the Council.
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention
firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and
Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is
necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the
Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms
He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism124 and thereby affirmed
also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men
enter the Church…
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with
explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very
intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already
embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE.
The passage in Red refers to hypothetical and invisible cases in the present times. The passage in Blue are orthodox and support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The passages in Red do not contradict the passages in Blue.
Let us call this whole
process Model A.
MODEL B
Model B is when AG 7 and LG 14 do not support EENS, the
Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors. Since LG 8 etc are alleged objective examples for EENS and the rest of
Tradition. So the Council is a rupture with the
past ecclesiocentrism of the Church. There are alleged known
examples, of salvation outside the Church.
In the text of Vatican Council II, the red is not an exception for the blue for me. I choose Model A but for the popes from Paul VI, the red is an exception for the blue. They have chosen the irrational Model B.-Lionel Andrades
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THESE ARE REFERENCES TO
INVISIBE CASES IN 2023. THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE
CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA
SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF POPE PIUS IX.
This Church
constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic
Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in
communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and
of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements,
as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward
catholic unity. - Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the
Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church
are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude
Mother Church already embraces them as her own. Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican
Council II
But the plan of salvation also
includes those who acknowledge the Creator… Those also can attain to
salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or
His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to
do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-
Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.
Moreover, some and even very
many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up
and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of
the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith,
hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible
elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ,
belong by right to the one Church of Christ.
The brethren divided from us
also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most
certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the
condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be
regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation. –
Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II
The Catholic
Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She
regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those
precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones
she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which
enlightens all men. – Nostra Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.
All this
holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose
hearts grace works in an unseen way. For,
since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in
fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner
known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with
this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22,
Vatican Council II
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