Tuesday, September 26, 2023

When Wikipedia says that the MHFM are Feeneyite it should also clarify that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church can also be Feeneyite when they are both interpreted rationally.

 

The founder of the community Most Holy Family Monastery, in Fillmore, New York was correct about Vatican Council II.

The founder of Most Holy Family Monastery was Joseph Natale (1933-1995), who needed crutches to walk ever after contracting tuberculosis of the bone at the age of four.[2][3] Natale entered the Saint Vincent Archabbey in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, in 1960 as a lay postulant, but left less than a year later to lay the groundwork for his own religious community…

Even before Vatican II was finished, I knew, and knew absolutely, that it was part of a Communist conspiracy to destroy the Church. The bishops at the council wanted to democratize Catholicism, they wanted an egalitarian theology, and most of them were secret communists and Masons. They knew exactly what they were doing. My community here was the first one in the United States to see the council for what it really was, and we rejected it completely.

— Joseph Natale (as quoted by Michael Cuneo), Smoke of Satan (1999), p. 88  -Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Holy_Family_MonasteryMost Holy Family Monastery

 Vatican Council II (irrational) has to be rejected. But Natale did not know about Vatican Council II (rational).Vatican Council II (rational) is Feeneyite. Peter and Michael Dimond at the MHFM also interpret Vatican Council II, irrationally like Natale. Then they correctly reject this version of the Council but do not affirm Vatican Council II rational. They still do not seem to know how Vatican Council II is in harmony with Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).I have no communication with them.

Vatican Council II can only be Feeneyite .Since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, and GS 22 etc can only be interpreted rationally. They are only hypothetical cases always.

According to Wikipedia the MHFM are Feeneyite because they reject the baptism of desire (BOD). But the BOD was never ever relevant to Feeneyite EENS.It never was an exception since it always refers to invisible and hypothetical cases. It is Wikipedia which is making the mistake. They are following the error in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney. This Letter confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for traditional EENS. Then it concluded that not everyone needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation, as if we humans could know of some exception in real life.

When Wikipedia says that the MHFM are Feeneyite it should also clarify that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church can also be Feeneyite when they are both interpreted rationally.

Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church always have a hermeneutic of continuity with Feeneyite EENS.

 The hermeneutic of rupture comes only when LG 8, LG 14,LG 15, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are seen as physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church .This is irrational and it is unethical for Wikipedia. This is misinformation about the Catholic Church on Wikipedia.

Critics of the MHFM like Catholic Answers, SPLC, Bill Donohue etc, need to correct their interpretation of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Unfortunately the MHFM still interprets Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, irrationally, like the Vatican, which is called by them ‘the Vatican Council II sect’.

- Lionel Andrades






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