All the religious communities have to stop interpreting LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors and Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), for then they imply that these are physically visible cases.

 

All the religious communities ( major and minor) in Rome have to stop interpreting LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc  in Vatican Council II as being exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors and Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), for then they imply that these are physically visible cases. But these are invisible people in 2023. They cannot be exceptions.

They must see LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being physically invisible cases in 2023. So they are not exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism. Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.

But Vatican Council II really has a continuity with the past ecclesiocentrism and the rest of Tradition. LG 14 and AG 7 say all need faith and baptism for salvation, while LG 8, NA 2, GS 22, UR 3 etc are not exceptions for LG 14 and AG 7.

This is interpreting Vatican Council II rationally. The conclusion is traditional. It is also interpreting Vatican Council II honestly.

 - Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 5, 2016

If a new religious community wants to be faithful to the Gospel they must not seek recognition from the Vatican

If a new religious community wants to be faithful to the Gospel they must not seek recognition from the Vatican.

If they want to say,'All Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox Christians in 2016 need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church for salvation, to avoid Hell, with no known exceptions',then they will not be accepted by the two popes and the Vatican Curia.

Without Vatican recognition this new religious community could exist as a society, and affirm Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995) , the Catechism of Pope Pius X and previous catechisms.

Presently some priests in Rome, who offer Mass in Italian and the Traditional Latin Mass, have told me that in 2016 they do not know of any case of the baptism of desire(BOD) or being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) without the baptism of water.They do not know of any exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

Yet some of them have to teach Rahner's theology,(others have to proclaim it) which is based upon there being known exceptions to EENS in 2016.They have to infer that they can see people in Heaven without the baptism of water in 2016.Or that they know of some people on earth who are going to be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church in some' extraordinary way'.

If the Superior of any of the many religious communities today says Jesus said all need the baptism of water for salvation( John 3:5) and we do not know of any exceptions in 2016 to Jesus' teachings, the Superior would have to resign.

It is only by telling a lie ( being able to physically see invisible cases) can the Superior, Mother or Father General be accepted by the Vatican.

So the Superior compromises. This semester they have sent young religious to study at Rome's pontifical universities where they will all be taught the lie.No one would be allowed to object with the truth.When they tell a lie no one in the community is persecuted.

The seminarians of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, who study at these universities, all have to say that there are known exceptions in 2016 to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS. There are known exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church as taught in the Catechism of Pope Pius X.Pope Francis has approved this after he closed down their seminary in Rome.

According to Pope Francis' new rules, for religous communities, including monastic communities,all religious have to be associated with a liberal Catholic community or society. This would be a group of people who among other things, accept the Rahner-Ratzinger New Theology and reject the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS.

Go out into the whole world and proclaim the Good News was the Response to the Psalm, at Holy Mass today.

This can only be done officially and in public by religious, who will theologically 1) not separate Jesus from the Catholic Church and 2) interpret Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS without an irrational premise and conclusion( being able to see the saved in Heaven who are there without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church is the irrational premise. So there is salvation outside the Catholic Church is the conclusion).In this way a new doctrine has been created. There is an innovation in the Church approved by the two popes and the Vatican Curia. In the words of Pope Benedict XVI, EENS is no more like it was in the 16th century. It has been replaced with the new irrational and innovative theology which all religous must accept to get Vatican recognition.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/10/if-new-religious-community-wants-to-be.html