If a non Catholic goes or does not go to Heaven in any particular case it can only be known to God, the norm for salvation is faith and baptism (AG 7), the norm is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Catechism of the Catholic Church says ‘the Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude’. – Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Necessity of Baptism, 1257
We do not know of any non Catholic in 2024 who is an exception for the dogma EENS defined by the Fourth Lateran Council of Pope Honorius III (1215) etc, which did not mention any exception. Since, the baptism of desire was always invisible and it could only be known to God. This is a given, it is a constant in the Church over the centuries.
We do not know of a St.Emerentiana, a Dismas or an Emperor Valentianan II in 1965-2024 who will be an exception for the Athanasius Creed, which says all need to be Catholic for salvation. If someone is saved in invincible ignorance, again, it would not be known to us on earth.
We cannot name a particular person who will go to Heaven with the baptism of desire or blood and without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.
‘Whosoever will be saved before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.-Athanasius Creed
There are no literal cases of the baptism of desire said Bishop Athanasius Schneider in an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall. Marshall confirmed that there are no explicit cases of St. Thomas Aquinas’s implicit baptism of desire. This is common sense.
Where is the particular case of a baptism of desire in 2024 for Fr. Robinson? Does he know of someone saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance since 1965? The baptism of desire is not the norm for salvation.
St.Thomas Aquinas held the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
The Holy Spirit has taught the Church over the centuries, that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. This is a de fide teaching. It is supported by Vatican Council II ( Ad Gentes 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q,27Q) etc.
When I meet a non Catholic I know that the person is oriented to Hell unless he or she is baptised in the Church and has Catholic faith at the time of death and is living the Catholic faith, without mortal sin on his or her soul.
When I see a non Catholic I know he or she is oriented to Hell not because I can judge personally but because the Catholic Church teaches this in the dogma EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other Magisterial Documents, when they are interpreted rationally i.e they do not confuse what is invisible as being visible in the present times. -Lionel Andrades
APRIL 1, 2024
Cindy Wooden, Fr. Georges de Laire and Brother Andre Marie micm, are all Feeneyites on extra ecclesiam nulla salus when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally by them
The correspondents of the National Catholic Reporter can only be 'progressive' if they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, dishonestly and so non traditionally. There is no more support for their liberalism when Vatican Council II is interpreted honestly. There automatically is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
APRIL 5, 2024
The baptism of desire was always invisible and it could only be known to God. This is a given, it is a constant in the Church over the centuries. Taylor Marshall confirmed that there are no explicit cases of St. Thomas Aquinas’s implicit baptism of desire. This is common sense.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-baptism-of-desire-was-always.html
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