Wednesday, October 3, 2018

The Crossroads at 23rd Street - Apologist Colin B. Donovan, STL assumes invincible ignorance 1) refers to known people saved outside the general faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church and that they are known exceptions to the rule.2) He further infers that invincble ignorances is the ordinary way of salvation.

On this website/blog , 'The Defenders of the (Liberal) Catholic Faith' have this report with a video titled 'What Catholics Need to Know to Avoid Heresy'.


Faith

The Crossroads at 23rd Street



The Church's moral theology has always distinguished between objective or material sin and formal sin. The person who holds something contrary to the Catholic faith is materially a heretic. They possess the matter of heresy, theological error. Thus, prior to the Second Vatican Council it was quite common to speak of non-Catholic Christians as heretics, since many of their doctrines are objectively contrary to Catholic teaching. This theological distinction remains true, though in keeping with the pastoral charity of the Council today we use the term heretic only to describe those who willingly embrace what they know to be contrary to revealed truth. Such persons are formally (in their conscience before God) guilty of heresy. Thus, the person who is objectively in heresy is not formally guilty of heresy if 1) their ignorance of the truth is due to their upbringing in a particular religious tradition (to which they may even be scrupulously faithful), and 2) they are not morally responsible for their ignorance of the truth. This is the principle of invincible ignorance, which Catholic theology has always recognized as excusing before God.(emphasis added)Colin B. Donovan, STL
http://www.23rdstreet.com/video_texts/what_catholics_need_to_know.aspx




Colin B. Donovan, STL assumes invincible ignorance 1) refers to known people saved outside the general faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church and that they are known exceptions to the rule.2) He further infers that invincble ignorances is the ordinary way of salvation.


On the faith issue, that is the necessity of faith and baptism for salvation ( AG 7), there are no known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance to be exceptions to the general teaching on all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Vatican Council II (AG 7) etc).
Secondly, the ordinary way of salvation is faith and baptism. The ordinary way of salvation is not invincible ignorance.
So this is a flaw in his writing.He is a liberal theologian.
He does not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus here or on EWTN. Since he accepts the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, which tells us that invisible cases of invincible ignorance are visible exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the interpretation of the Council of Florence and the old Catechism on this issue are obsolete for him. 

Similarly Jesus' general teaching on adultery etc tell us the objective sin indicates the subjective state and the person is oriented to Hell. This is the general de fide teaching.It is supported by Pope John Paul II's encyclical on morals, Veritatis Splendor.Invincible ignorance or following one's conscience etc is not the norm.Secondly we humans cannot judge when a person in manifest mortal sin (living in concubinage known to all) is an exception to the general rule. If there are exceptions it could only be known to God.Donovan assumes that the exceptions are the rule here too.

So he really teaches heresy.Since he rejects the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS with an irrationality ( known exceptions of invincible ignorance, which also are the general rule).
He is also in schism with the past popes on outside the Church there is no salvation. He is in a rupture doctrinally and theologically with St. Augustine, St.Thomas Aquinas, St.Maximillian Kolbe...
He has re-interpreted the Nicene Creed's, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' to 'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, desire, blood, invincible ignorance, seeds of the Word(AG 11) etc and they ALL exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
He has put aside the Athanasius Creed which states 'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. 
He has also contradicted the Catechism of Pope Pius X 1

He has also put aside Vatican Council II which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
(All must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching and also not made known by the Church's teaching. Since there are no known exceptions to invincible ignorance which are objective objections on the de fide teaching on the necessity to be a member of the Church for salvation)
-Lionel Andrades

1.

The Church in Particular

Q. State distinctly what is necessary to be a member of the Church?


A. To be a member of the Church it is necessary to be baptised, to believe and 
profess the teaching of Jesus Christ, to participate in the same Sacraments, and
 to acknowledge the Pope and the other lawful pastors of the Church.

24 Q. To be saved, is it enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church?
A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic 
Church; it is necessary to be a living member.

27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, 
just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, 
which was a figure of the Church.



11 Q. Who are they who are outside the true Church?
A. Outside the true Church are: Infidels, Jews, heretics, apostates, 
schismatics, and the excommunicated.




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