Fr.Brian Harrison and Brother Andre Marie MICM, do not ask why does Bishop Robert Barron cite Vatican Council II ( GS 22) as an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and so does not tell Ben Shapiro that he needs to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation?
Again for both of them, like it is for Michael Voris, Gaudium et Specs 22(GS 22) refers to a personally known, objective, seen- in- the- flesh non Catholic, saved outside the Church.A possibility is a practical exception to the old teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation.
The liberal bishops can only speak in terms of possibilities, when they quote GS 22, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc.This is false and they know they are limited. They have no choice.Possibilities are always hypothetical and theoretical. For us they can only be speculative.So they cannot be real exceptions to the dogma EENS.They are not real people saved outside the Catholic Church in the present times.They do not exist in 2018.
But the traditionalists, like the liberals,interpret Vatican Council II looking at possibilities as if they are real people saved outside the Church. They wrongly assume there are exceptions of salvation outside the Church. So they will say there is no salvation outside the Church but theologically they will interpret GS 22 ( people of good will) as being relevant to EENS. So on March 1,2018 when Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj referred to the hypothetical case of an unknown person saved with elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8) in another religion, who was an exception to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church, no one said anything.No one objected.
Now Fr. Brian Harrison and Brother Andre Marie have a report on Michael Voris' latest video.They do state that Lumen Gentium no where states there are personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church.
Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth) refers to someone whom we cannot see or meet if he or she existed in real life.
Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth) refers to someone whom we cannot see or meet if he or she existed in real life.
Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved with a good conscience, invincible ignorance) refers to a hypothetical case. It is an unknown person always.
Lumen Gentium 14 refers to the case of the unknown catechumen and the unknown person saved in invincible ignorance.Both cannot be practical exceptions to EENS.Since they do not exist in our human reality.
So on the Catholicism.org report they have both overlooked this error and the result is that Vatican Council II would also contradicts itself for them.
LG 8, LG 16 etc would contradict Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.(LG 16 vs AG7)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church ( N.1257 The Necessity of the Baptism of Water) would also contradict itself when it states all need the baptism of water for salvation but God is not limited to the Sacraments.
Mentioning God is not limited to the Sacraments with reference to EENS in the Catechism was a mistake of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. Since God has chosen to limit salvation to the baptism of water and Catholic faith, this is the dogmatic teaching from John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
However saying God is not limited to the Sacraments is not naming a particular known person saved outside the Church. So it does not contradict EENS,for those who want to interpret it rationally.
Similarly Pope Pius IX would contradict himself for Michael Voris who has quoted him.Since he has said that outside the Church there is no salvation and also that a person could be saved in invincible ignorance.
In their mind Catholics do not make the objective-subjective, explicit-implicit, visible -invisible distinction.
An unknown person who has died and is now in Heaven, as referred to in GS 22 etc, for them, is also on earth and visible,The dead man walking, a ghost, is an exception to EENS.
It is because of this particular point, this error, there is no breakthrough for the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX)in the doctrinal talks with the Vatican.
Bishop Bernard Fellay in a Letter to Friends and Benefactors interpreted EENS according to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) and not Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441.So BOD, BOB and I.I were exceptions to EENS.LOHO contradicts the Council of Florence on EENS.
Then Bishop Fellay objected to UR 3 etc which referred to an exception to an ecumenism of return, for him.Again he was making the same mistake as Fr. Brian Harrison and Brother Andre Marie.Hypothetical cases, de jure ( in principle) are non hypothetical cases for them.Then they place the blame on Vatican Council II and not their error.
The new Superior General of the SSPX should simply cite Ad Gentes 7 and say LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc are not exceptions for him.So Vatican Council II, for him, affirms the past exclusivist ecclesiology with an ecumenism of return. He would be supporting Feeneyite EENS according to the 2012 SSPX General Statement on Doctrine.There literally, are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I.This is common sense. It is something obvious.There are no practical exceptions to EENS for us humans.So there are no exceptions to the centuries old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church and an ecumenism of return.
Pope Benedict ( Avvenire, March 2016) and Cardinal Ladaria ( March 1, 2018 Placuet Deo Press Conference) made a mistake.It was an objective mistake.It is a fact of life that there are no exceptions to EENS.This is where the rubber meets the road and there is a hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with the past.
There are no exceptions to EEN mentioned in Vatican Council II, I repeat, and so Bishop Robert Barron should not have cited Vatican Council II as a reason not to affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades
For the Record: Father Harrison’s Comment on Bishop Barron’s Words to Ben Shapiro https://catholicism.org/for-the-record-father-harrisons-comment-on-bishop-barrons-words-to-ben-shapiro.html
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