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VATICAN II, which has been rightly
described as the most important religious
event of the 20th century, began 50 years
ago today in St. Peter’s Basilica. Over three
years, from 1962 to 1965, some 2,800
bishops from 116 countries produced
16 documents that set the Roman Catholic
Church’s course for the future. Its proceedings
were closely followed in the media, bringing
the church into the homes of hundreds of
millions of ordinary Catholics on nearly a
daily basis.
described as the most important religious
event of the 20th century, began 50 years
ago today in St. Peter’s Basilica. Over three
years, from 1962 to 1965, some 2,800
bishops from 116 countries produced
16 documents that set the Roman Catholic
Church’s course for the future. Its proceedings
were closely followed in the media, bringing
the church into the homes of hundreds of
millions of ordinary Catholics on nearly a
daily basis.
An increasingly popular view, at least among
critics, is that the Second Vatican Council failed
to put the church’s house in order. Its most radical
inward move was not to democratize the church
(though it has often been described that way)
but to reinstate an older, more collegial style
in church governance. Under the council’s version
of this teaching, known as collegiality, the papacy
had the final word, but others in the church, from
the bishops to the priests and the laity, had a
voice, too.
critics, is that the Second Vatican Council failed
to put the church’s house in order. Its most radical
inward move was not to democratize the church
(though it has often been described that way)
but to reinstate an older, more collegial style
in church governance. Under the council’s version
of this teaching, known as collegiality, the papacy
had the final word, but others in the church, from
the bishops to the priests and the laity, had a
voice, too.
The bishops at Vatican II felt that more than
a century of centralization needed to be
tempered. But in their euphoria, they failed to
reckon sufficiently with the resistance of
entrenched bureaucracies — jealous of their
authority and fearful of disorder — to change.
A more participatory mode of church life took
hold for 15 years or so after the council, but
from on high it began to be more and more
restricted, to the point that central control is
now tighter than ever.
a century of centralization needed to be
tempered. But in their euphoria, they failed to
reckon sufficiently with the resistance of
entrenched bureaucracies — jealous of their
authority and fearful of disorder — to change.
A more participatory mode of church life took
hold for 15 years or so after the council, but
from on high it began to be more and more
restricted, to the point that central control is
now tighter than ever.
This has led to widespread disillusionment
and anger. Priests and parishioners feel that
their voices are not heard. Some critics argue,
not unreasonably, that a more collegial style
of governance, or at least of consultation, would
have addressed the clerical sex-abuse problem
earlier and more effectively. The fact that
collegiality now seems little more than an
ideal resting quietly in the council’s documents
— with little relevance for the real life of the
church — stands as a major failure to carry
out what the council intended.
and anger. Priests and parishioners feel that
their voices are not heard. Some critics argue,
not unreasonably, that a more collegial style
of governance, or at least of consultation, would
have addressed the clerical sex-abuse problem
earlier and more effectively. The fact that
collegiality now seems little more than an
ideal resting quietly in the council’s documents
— with little relevance for the real life of the
church — stands as a major failure to carry
out what the council intended.
What has been less appreciated about Vatican II,
though it is as significant as the halting steps on
governance, is that it took account of the world
outside the church. The church validated for the
first time the principle of religious freedom and
rejected all forms of civil discrimination based
on religious grounds. Thus ended an era of
cozy church-state relations that began in
the fourth century with Emperor Constantine.
though it is as significant as the halting steps on
governance, is that it took account of the world
outside the church. The church validated for the
first time the principle of religious freedom and
rejected all forms of civil discrimination based
on religious grounds. Thus ended an era of
cozy church-state relations that began in
the fourth century with Emperor Constantine.
Lionel : It was interpreted
with a simple false premise,
which replaced extra
ecclesiam nulla salus
(Feeneyite) with extra
ecclesiam nulla salus (Cushingite).
So there was only one unknown
interpretation of
Vatican Council II(Cushingite)
.Vatican Council II(Feeneyite)
was unknown and still is unknown.
with a simple false premise,
which replaced extra
ecclesiam nulla salus
(Feeneyite) with extra
ecclesiam nulla salus (Cushingite).
So there was only one unknown
interpretation of
Vatican Council II(Cushingite)
.Vatican Council II(Feeneyite)
was unknown and still is unknown.
So there was a break with the
theology, Scripture and Tradition
of the popes on EENS.There was
a rupture with the popes before
Pius XII, who were all Feeneyite
on EENS. Exclusive salvation was
always taught in the Church
including the time of Emperor
Constantine the Great.
theology, Scripture and Tradition
of the popes on EENS.There was
a rupture with the popes before
Pius XII, who were all Feeneyite
on EENS. Exclusive salvation was
always taught in the Church
including the time of Emperor
Constantine the Great.
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Before the council, Catholics were not only
forbidden to pray with those of other faiths
but also indoctrinated into a disdain or even
contempt for them. (This was, of course, a
two-way street.)
forbidden to pray with those of other faiths
but also indoctrinated into a disdain or even
contempt for them. (This was, of course, a
two-way street.)
Lionel : Since the theology of
the Catholic Church was Feeneyite
on EENS over the centuries non
Catholics were seen as going to Hell
with no known exception unless they
enter the only Church Jesus founded
and which the Bible refers to
as Jesus' Mystical Body. There
was no known salvation outside the
Church in other faiths. All non
Catholics were on the way to Hell
without faith and baptism in the
Catholic Church, which was the
narrow gate to Heaven.
the Catholic Church was Feeneyite
on EENS over the centuries non
Catholics were seen as going to Hell
with no known exception unless they
enter the only Church Jesus founded
and which the Bible refers to
as Jesus' Mystical Body. There
was no known salvation outside the
Church in other faiths. All non
Catholics were on the way to Hell
without faith and baptism in the
Catholic Church, which was the
narrow gate to Heaven.
With EENS ( Cushingite) there
is alleged known salvation outside
the Church. Speculative possibilities
of salvation outside the Church are
assumed to be real and personally
known cases of non Catholics saved
without faith and baptism. It is
as if we can physically see who is in
Heaven without faith and baptism.
So members of other faiths,
with Cushingite philosophy and
theology, were also being saved
outside the Church in their
religion.This was the new reasoning
based upon a false premise.
is alleged known salvation outside
the Church. Speculative possibilities
of salvation outside the Church are
assumed to be real and personally
known cases of non Catholics saved
without faith and baptism. It is
as if we can physically see who is in
Heaven without faith and baptism.
So members of other faiths,
with Cushingite philosophy and
theology, were also being saved
outside the Church in their
religion.This was the new reasoning
based upon a false premise.
_____________________________
Now, for the first time, Catholics were
encouraged to foster friendly relations
with Orthodox and Protestant Christians,
as well as Jews and Muslims, and even
to pray with them. The council condemned
all forms of anti-Semitism and insisted
on respect for Judaism and Islam as
Abrahamic faiths, like Christianity.
encouraged to foster friendly relations
with Orthodox and Protestant Christians,
as well as Jews and Muslims, and even
to pray with them. The council condemned
all forms of anti-Semitism and insisted
on respect for Judaism and Islam as
Abrahamic faiths, like Christianity.
Lionel: However when Vatican
Council II is interpreted without
the false premise which makes
it Cushingite, the Council is
saying in Ad Gentes 7 that
all need faith and baptism for
salvation.So AG 7 supports
Feeneyite EENS and the past
exclusive ecclesiology of the
Church.Also without the
irrational premise of Cushingism,
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,
GS 22 etc refer to only hypothetical
cases. They are not objective
exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or
EENS ( Feeneyite). This means
the Council is saying all
non Catholics and non Christians
are oriented to Hell without
Catholic faith and the baptism
of water in the Catholic
Church.The Council is saying
that all non Catholics need to
accept Jesus in the Church;
they need to be members of
the Catholic Church to avoid
Hell (AG 7).So with Vatican
Council II ( Feeneyite) there is
no rupture with the old
ecclesiology and and ecumenism
of return.
Council II is interpreted without
the false premise which makes
it Cushingite, the Council is
saying in Ad Gentes 7 that
all need faith and baptism for
salvation.So AG 7 supports
Feeneyite EENS and the past
exclusive ecclesiology of the
Church.Also without the
irrational premise of Cushingism,
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,
GS 22 etc refer to only hypothetical
cases. They are not objective
exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or
EENS ( Feeneyite). This means
the Council is saying all
non Catholics and non Christians
are oriented to Hell without
Catholic faith and the baptism
of water in the Catholic
Church.The Council is saying
that all non Catholics need to
accept Jesus in the Church;
they need to be members of
the Catholic Church to avoid
Hell (AG 7).So with Vatican
Council II ( Feeneyite) there is
no rupture with the old
ecclesiology and and ecumenism
of return.
__________________________
These epochal decisions have been carried out
imperfectly, not surprising for an institution
as large, lumbering and complex as the
Catholic Church. While more recently the
Vatican has seemed to drag its feet, the
very fact that it is engaged in the process
at all is a sign of progress.
imperfectly, not surprising for an institution
as large, lumbering and complex as the
Catholic Church. While more recently the
Vatican has seemed to drag its feet, the
very fact that it is engaged in the process
at all is a sign of progress.
The change is also felt at the grass roots.
Two years ago, I taught a doctoral seminar
on Vatican II to six students: one Catholic,
one Jew, two Protestants and two Muslims.
I have officiated at weddings alongside
rabbis and Methodist pastors. Catholic
colleges and universities now as a matter
of course have rabbis, imams and Protestant
ministers on their campus ministry staff.
Two years ago, I taught a doctoral seminar
on Vatican II to six students: one Catholic,
one Jew, two Protestants and two Muslims.
I have officiated at weddings alongside
rabbis and Methodist pastors. Catholic
colleges and universities now as a matter
of course have rabbis, imams and Protestant
ministers on their campus ministry staff.
Lionel: This has become
common because of the
leftist laws. Even in Italy,
Catholic professors and
priests are not allowed to
interpret Vatican Council
II and EENS with Feeneyism
instead of irrational
Cushingism.The irrational
premise which creates a
traditional conclusion is
obligatory to avoid Anti
Semitism and other leftist
forms of fascism today.
common because of the
leftist laws. Even in Italy,
Catholic professors and
priests are not allowed to
interpret Vatican Council
II and EENS with Feeneyism
instead of irrational
Cushingism.The irrational
premise which creates a
traditional conclusion is
obligatory to avoid Anti
Semitism and other leftist
forms of fascism today.
_____________________
What prompted such a turn? The life
experiences of Pope John XXIII, which
were unlike those of any previous pope,
hold important clues. As a young priest,
he had served in the Italian Army in
World War I; later he spent nearly two
decades as a Vatican diplomat in
Bulgaria, Turkey and Greece, and was
papal nuncio to Paris at the end of
World War II. He knew diversity, turmoil,
sin and evil firsthand, but he also knew
goodness as he found it in people of
other faiths and no faith. As far as
I know, he never used the word
“reconciliation,” but it captures, I
believe, what inspired him.
experiences of Pope John XXIII, which
were unlike those of any previous pope,
hold important clues. As a young priest,
he had served in the Italian Army in
World War I; later he spent nearly two
decades as a Vatican diplomat in
Bulgaria, Turkey and Greece, and was
papal nuncio to Paris at the end of
World War II. He knew diversity, turmoil,
sin and evil firsthand, but he also knew
goodness as he found it in people of
other faiths and no faith. As far as
I know, he never used the word
“reconciliation,” but it captures, I
believe, what inspired him.
The council, in its decree on the liturgy,
also opened the Mass to symbols and
traditions of non-Western cultures,
permitting the displacement of Latin
with vernacular languages. This reconciliatory
move has played a part in the remarkable
growth of the church in Africa and parts of Asia...
also opened the Mass to symbols and
traditions of non-Western cultures,
permitting the displacement of Latin
with vernacular languages. This reconciliatory
move has played a part in the remarkable
growth of the church in Africa and parts of Asia...
Lionel: The turn was big since
Pope Paul VI and the popes
upto Francis have interpreted
Vatican Council II with
Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
Pope Paul VI had a
choice.He chose the hermeneutic
of rupture with Tradition.
This is appreciated by the
Jewish Left.-Lionel Andrades
Pope Paul VI and the popes
upto Francis have interpreted
Vatican Council II with
Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
Pope Paul VI had a
choice.He chose the hermeneutic
of rupture with Tradition.
This is appreciated by the
Jewish Left.-Lionel Andrades
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