Fr.Z still has it wrong

 

Fr. Z's Blog

As for your chicken-livered notion about going outside the Church, I’ll offer what Lumen gentium 14 teaches:

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

Refuse to enter or refuse to remain in the Church knowing that the Catholic Church is necessary?   Bad odds.-Fr.John Zuhlsdorf

 https://wdtprs.com/2019/11/ask-father-i-utterly-reject-bergoglio-so-how-can-i-remain-a-catholic-fr-zs-rant-and-beatdown/

But what about all those who do not know about Jesus and the Church and are not Catholic, will they all go to Heaven for Fr.Zuhlsdorf ?

The Church has always taught that faith and baptism are needed for salvation. This is the norm. And we humans cannot know who knows or does not know and is saved or not saved, outside the Church.We cannot judge exceptions to the norm.

Fr. Z is implying here that he knows of non Catholics who will be saved in invicible ignorance, since they did not know about Jesus and the Church and its necessity for salvation. This is a new doctrine. It is also an irrational way to interpret Lumen Gentium 14.Since only God can know if there are exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation.

It would also mean that Lumen Gentium 14 contradicts itself for Fr. Z.Since it states: 
the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.

It also says :

 Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

It would mean the passage in red contradicts the passage in  blue.

There is no contradiction for me.

The passage in red refers to a hypothetical case. We cannot know of any one saved outside the Church without faith and baptism. Neither can we judge in particular cases. We do not now of anyone saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or invincible ignorance, outside the Church.

So all need to enter the Catholic Church, with faith and baptism, and not just those who know about Jesus and the Church.

In other words, the natives in the Americas before Columbas went there, were damned in general until the missionaries arrived.In potential they all could be saved but in reality, for salvation, they needed to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church and live the teaching of the Church.This is why we call Jesus the Saviour. He saves from Hell.

 

Similarly the natives in India were on the way to Hell in general, until St.Francis Xavier and the Jesuit missionaries went there and converted them.
 

All the non Catholics today (2019) in the world are on the way to Hell unless they die with faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and without mortal sin on their soul.So when I see a non Catholic I know he is lost unless he enters the Church.Since this is the teaching of Vatican Council II(LG 14-blue passage)  with the passage in red, not being an exception.We cannot know of any practical exception to the passage  in blue. There were none since 1965.

-Lionel Andrades 


 https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/07/19/how-465-year-old-arm-st-francis-xavier-brought-faith-and-healing-canada