50 years of Vatican Council II drama is over : the Council, EENS, Creeds, Catechisms and BOD, BOB and I.I can be interpreted rationally.
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-Lionel Andrades
February 12, 2020
Michael Sean Winters, Massimo Faggioli, John Allen jr and Joshua McElwee agree that even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner, Richard Cushing and Joseph Ratzinger were there at Vatican Council II. the Council can be interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. Then it will be in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, an ecumenism of return and 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), with no known exceptions. None of them are disputing this.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/michael-sean-winters-massimo-faggioli.html
February 11, 2020
All the speakers at the Rome Forum 2020 need to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms, EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I without the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to create a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/all-speakers-at-rome-forum-2020-need-to.html
February 10, 2020
Father John Zuhlsdorf irrationally interprets Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Creeds and Catechisms and BOD,BOB and I.I like Massimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters and John Allen jr.: they use the false premise, inference and conclusion.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/father-john-zuhlsdorf-irrationally.html
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TERMS CLARIFIED
BOD(
Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the
baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved
and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)
I.I (Invincible
ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven
without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)
LG 8 (
Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true
Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
LG 14 (Lumen
Gentium 14: Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who
desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is
allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 (
Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith
and the baptism of water)
UR 3 (Unitatitis
Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown
Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the
baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to
someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2(
Nostra Aetate 2: The case of the unknown non Catholic saved outside
the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with
good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth
which enlightens all mankind.
GS 22 (Gaudium
et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside
the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but
with goodwill.
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