Ralph Martin like Bishop Barron interprets Vatican Council II with the same false premise

  

Vatican Council II was put together by the Council Fathers with the false premise which was there in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.

Being aware of this error, we can re-interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed. Since we would be re-interpreting LG 9, LG 14, LG 16 etc as being only hypothetical. They are always hypothetical.

This is a point that is not covered by Ralph Martin.

-Lionel Andrades

BAPTISM OF DESIRE, BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

Fake premise

The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically visible cases in 1949-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.They are examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

Fake conclusion

So they contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Pope Pius XII and the Holy Office(CDF) made an objective mistake.

BAPTISM OF DESIRE, BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

Rational Premise

The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically invisible cases in 1949-2021

They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.They are not examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

Rational Conclusion

They do not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.They do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.

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VATICAN COUNCIL II

Fake premise

Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium 14(Baptism of Desire), Lumen Gentium 16 (Invincible ignorance) etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Pope Paul VI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, made an objective error.

VATICAN COUNCIL II

Rational Premise

 Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium  14 and Lumen Gentium 16  in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-L.A

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AUGUST 22, 2019

Ralph Martin sets a bad example. This is a scandal.It is deception. This is not the Deposit of the Faith before Pope Pius XII.His books are written with irrational Cushingism

Ralph Martin is disobedient to the past Magisterium , guided by the Holy Spirit, when he chooses to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.He interprets the Council  with an irrational premise (invisible non Catholics are visible).Then presents the non traditional conclusion to his students theology and the rest of the Church.

It is Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) which is rejected by the diobedient liberal friends of Ralph Martin.Msgr. Todd Lajiness, is the Rector of the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit. He enforces Vatican Council II(Cushingite), even though it is a false version of the Council. Based upon irrational Cushingism Ralph Martin has written the books

What Vatican II Actually Teaches and Its Implications for the New Evangelization.It is with the same error that he wrote Will Many be Saved ?.

Ralph Martin is disobedient to the popes before Paul VI.He follows Pope Paul VI.He disobediently did not accept Vatican Council II(Feeneyite).So he created a rupture with the popes over the centuries, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

This is a false teaching.Ralph Martin follows it even though it is not the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

This is a mortal sin of faith which creates a break with the past de fide teachings of the Church. It cannot be magisterial.

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are disobedient to the past Magisterium when they interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms,with Cushingism,  to form a rupture with traditional EENS.Ralph Martin knowingly follows them.

So the 'magisterium of 2019' contradicts the Magisterium of the 16th century.

When the present two popes and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith are disobedient and teach heresy with Vatican Council II, the Catechisms etc., interpreted with Cushingism, Catholics are not obliged to follow.

Ralph Martin sets a bad example. 

This is a scandal.It is deception. This is not the Deposit of the Faith before Pope Pius XII.

-Lionel Andrades

Ralph Martin is president of Renewal Ministries, an organization devoted to Catholic renewal and evangelization. Ralph also hosts The Choices We Face, a widely viewed weekly Catholic television and radio program distributed throughout the world.

Ralph holds a doctorate in theology from the Pontifical University of St. Thomas (Angelicum) in Rome and is a professor and the director of Graduate Theology Programs in the New Evangelization at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in the Archdiocese of Detroit. He was named by Pope Benedict XVI as a Consultor to the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelization and was also appointed as a peritus to the Synod on the New Evangelization in October of 2012.

Ralph is the author of a number of books, the most recent of which are The Urgency of the New Evangelization: Answering the Call, The Fulfillment of All Desire: A Guidebook for the Journey to God Based on the Wisdom of the Saints, and Will Many Be Saved? What Vatican II Actually Teaches and Its Implications for the New Evangelization.  https://www.hprweb.com/author/ralph-martin/

AUGUST 21, 2019

Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi agree we cannot identify any exceptions to EENS and there are no visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I but they will not comment on the salvation of non Catholics in Detroit

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/ralph-martin-and-robert-fastiggi-agree.html

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 21, 2019

Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi agree we cannot identify any exceptions to EENS and there are no visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I but they will not comment on the salvation of non Catholics in Detroit

I wrote a piece on Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi, theologians at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA still having difficulty in interpreting magisterial documents with Feeneyism instead of their politically correct Cushingism.

I keep saying that invisible people cannot be visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and they seem to understand me.This is basic philosophical reasoning.We cannot see someone who is not there.In general we humans do not have this ability.So the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) 1949 made an objective mistake. 

They cite the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) which the liberal theologians placed in the Denzinger and referenced in Vatican Council II.

O.K. So they made a mistake in LOHO and Vatican Council II. Invisible people are still invisible.It was an objective error in LOHO. It assumes unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible exceptions to EENS.
The popes, cardinals and bishops accept LOHO. So they they also make a mistake. Even a pope can violate the Principle of Non Contradiction.

The Magisterium cannot make a mistake and so the ecclesiastics were not magisterial on this issue.The Holy Spirit cannot teach Catholics that BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible people. Or that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known people saved outside the Church over the last 50 years.

In real life there are no visible exceptions to EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.This is something obvious  and Martin and Fastiggi agree.But they understand the implications and are not commenting any further.They are unable to say that there are no practical exceptions to the past exclusivist understanding of salvation.There are no practical exceptions to an ecumenism of return. There are no practical exceptions in 2019 to Feeneyite EENS.

This could be a possible threat to their teaching job in Detroit.A Feeneyite on Vatican Council II and EENS may not be given permission to teach theology.The Archdiocese of Detroit like the present two popes, violates the Principle of Non Contradiction when they suggest unknown people are also visible examples of salvation in Heaven.So there is known salvation outside the Church in this way for them.Luther will be saved. The Muslims will be saved in Abu Dhabi without converting into the Catholic Church. The non Catholics in general in the Amazon will be saved and so there is no need for mission there.

Based upon the invisible people are visible and unknown non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church are known- irrationality there is inter religious dialogue in the Archdiocese of Detroit.It would also be part of Ralph Martin's ecumenism in the Charismatic Renewal Movement.

Robert Fastiggi cites Ludwig Otts Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma.But Ott accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which was Cushingite. Invisible people were visible for Ott. People in Heaven were visible on earth was the LOHO reasoning and Ott did not contest it.It was only in this way the liberals could create a break with Tradition and Ott overlooked it just like Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton, Fr. William Most and Fr. John Hardon.

I e-mailed Ralph Marin and Robert Fastiggi the following on August 5,2019 :-

Since we agree that we cannot identify any exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and there are no visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I),outside or within the Church, are you saying that in general, all non Catholics on earth in 2019 are oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) and they need to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church for salvation?

Since for me there are no exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation, Vatican Council II is saying that ll need to formally enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism to avoid Hell ( for salvation). Would it be the same for you ?

Similarly since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 2 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases, we cannot identify such cases on earth; they are not real people in the present times,there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS ?

Then would you say that Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct and the Holy Office 1949 was wrong in the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO), since LOHO assumed BOD, BOB and I.I were exceptions to Feeneyite EENS and criticized Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center in the text of the Letter?

I am still waiting for their response.-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 3, 2019

The Holy Spirit still guides Ralph Martin to say invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are physically visible exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology,an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)? This is false. How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-holy-spirit-still-guides-ralph.html

JULY 22, 2019

Ralph Martin and Scott Hahn

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/ralph-martin-and-scott-hahn.html

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JULY 24, 2017

Joint statement on Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite ) needed from Bishop Donald Sanborn and Prof. Robert Fastiggi and Ralph Martin https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/07/joint-statement-on-vatican-council-ii.html 

NOVEMBER 13, 2018

Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi, have to support heresy and sacrilege, to keep their teaching job https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/ralph-martin-and-robert-fastiggi-have.html

MARCH 18, 2019

Professors Robert Fastiggi, Ralph Martin and Phillip Blosser at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA agree with me : there are no objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in 2019. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/professors-robert-fastiggi-ralph-martin.html

JUNE 20, 2016Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html 

AUGUST 9, 2017For Ralph Martin,Robert Fastiggi and Phillip Blosser BOD etc refer to invisible cases but students at Detroit have to infer that they are visible http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/for-ralph-martinrobert-fastiggi-and.html

 

FEBRUARY 26, 2018 Ralph Martin, Fr.Gerald Collins, Eduardo Echeverria,Gavin D'Costa and others make an objective mistake in the Homilectic and Pastoral Review https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/02/ralph-martin-frgerald-collins-eduardo.html

AUGUST 5, 2017  Faculty and students at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit forced to use irrational Cushingism as a theology instead of Feeneyism: Michael Voris and CMTV also have to accept it   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/faculty-and-students-at-sacred-heart.html

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TUESDAY, MAY 22, 2018

Ralph Martin would be interpreting the Catechisms as a rupture with the popes and saints on EENS and this would be official heresy and schism : but not for me with Feeneyism I have a rational , traditional and non heretical choice

NOT OBLIGATORY TO BE A CATHOLIC FOR SALVATION FOR RALPH MARTIN
It's the New Evangelisation for Ralph Martin when he invites people into the Church, knowing they can always leave and accept Jesus in another Christian denomination, since it is not obligatory to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation for him.
Some of them could have left the Church since the Church no more teaches outside the Church there is no salvation like in the past, so the popes  can change doctrine.It is all relative.This is acceptable for Ralph Martin.

This is the new Catholic Church Martin is inviting them into.

Why should they get married in the Catholic Church since the popes teach there is salvation outside the Church.Dogmas and doctrines can be changed they are relative. The popes call it ' a development'.

POSSIBILITIES OF SALVATION IN THE PAST ARE ACTUAL AND KNOWN PEOPLE IN THE PRESENT TIMES FOR HIM

Ralph Martin too considers possibilities of salvation outside the Church as actual people in the present times, in 2018, saved outside the Church.This is irrational and is 'a development'.

So when a Catholic comes back into the Church or attends the RCIA for the first time, he has to believe there is known salvation outside the Church. This was not the teaching of the Catholic Church in the past.

This is the new Catholic Church.

HOW CAN THIS BE THE TEACHING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR HIM ?

How can this be the teaching of the Holy Spirit for Ralph Martin ? Where are the non Catholics in 2018 saved outside the Church? How can this be an excuse to reject the old exclusivist teaching on salvation?

Why must someone coming into the Church accept  the New Ecumenism and not the Old Ecumenism, only because,  Ralph interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture  with Tradition when he has a rational choice?

WHY DOES RALPH MARTIN NOT INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II IN HARMONY WITH EENS ?

The new comer could wonder why does Ralph Martin not interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict traditional interpretation of EENS? Is this dishonesty? Worldly prudence?

WILL HIS FUTURE BOOKS ALSO BE WRITTEN WITH CUSHINGITE THEOLOGY ?

Even after being informed Ralph Martin interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture  with EENS to protect his reputation ?

He has written books interpreting Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and even after being informed about the error he will continue to write books  with this approach ?

CUSHINGISM IS OBLIGATORY AT THE SACRED HEART MAJOR SEMINARY DETROIT

Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi  are obligated to interpret Vatican Council II  with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism as professors of theology as the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA.

HOW CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKE AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ?

When they continue to intepret magisterial documents with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism to create the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition, even after being informed, is this deception? This cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake?

But how can Ralph Martin make a turnaround now  ?

A CONSULTOR TO THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR THE NEW EVANGELISATION IS NOT ALLOWED TO USE FEENEYISM

The present two popes use Cushingism and he is a consultor to the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelisation and so he has to do the same.If he starts to interpret Magisterial documents with Feeneyism , there will be trouble for him.

ARCHDIOCESE OF DETROIT'S NEW EVANGELISATION PROGRAM ALSO DEPENDS ON CUSHINGISM

The Archdiocese of Detroit's New Evangelisation Program also depends upon irrational Cushingism as a philosophy and theology. This is indispensable for creating a rupture with Feeneyite EENS and the old exclusivist ecclesiology which supported the Syllabus of Errors.If he corrected the Archdiocese on theology and doctrine then the Archbishop could take away Ralph's mandatum(licence) to teach theology, which is only given to Cushingites.He could soon be without a job.

TO TEACH THEOLOGY RALPH MARTIN AND ROBERT FASTIGGI MUST MAINTAIN THE DECEPTION

So he and Robert Fastiggi have decided to continue with the deception and so keep their jobs as professors of theology.

However they would be aware that they are in schism with the past popes and saints on EENS.

It was Dr. Fastiggi who told Bishop Donald Sanborn at a debate on Ecclesiology that schism was a terrible thing.

UNDERSTANDING OF NICENE CREED CHANGED

Now they both would also heretically be interpreting the Nicene Creed to mean 'I believe in three or more known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water, they are the baptisms of desire, blood and being saved in invincible ignorance'. For me it is 'I believe in one known baptism of the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water'. I am interpreting the Nicene Creed with Feeneyism.

INVISIBLE PEOPLE ARE VISIBLE FOR THE BOTH OF THEM

They both would also be accepting the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which considered invisible cases of the baptism of desire etc as being visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.This is not Catholic philosophy and theology. We cannot see or know any one saved with the baptism of desire, since this non Catholic allegedly saved outside the Church would be in Heaven and known only to God. So how can invisible people be exceptions to Feeneyite EENS in the present times ?

RUPTURE WITH THE PAST POPES AND NUMEROUS SAINTS

He would also be interpreting the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other Catechisms as a rupture with St.Thomas Aquinas , St.Francis of Assisi, St.Teresa of Avila and numerous other saints on EENS.Since BOD, BOB and I.I would be known people saved outside the Churc for him. 
But not for me. 
They are not a rupture for me . Since with Feeneyism BOD,BOB and I.I are simply unknown cases, invisible people.

HERESY AND SCHISM IS OBLIGATORY AT DETROIT : NO DENIAL

So with the theology of Cushingism, the new theology, the product is  heresy and schism, which is supported by the two popes and the Left and Ralph Martin , Robert Fastiggi and the rest of the faculty at the seminary in Detroit have to go along with it.

I have mentioned this many times before and have even communicated this to them.They have no denial or correction for me.-Lionel Andrades

SUNDAY, JULY 16, 2017

Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi do not deny that Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise and non traditional conclusion

Ralph Martin in my personal communication with him does not deny 1) that the baptism of desire is not physically visible in 2017 and that 2)  invisible baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the dogma EENS?

He does not deny that when he wrote his books on Evangelisation and 'Will Many Be Saved'(Amazon) he made the above two errors.

POPE BENEDICT AND CARDINAL LADARIA MADE THE SAME ERROR

He does not deny that the above two errors were made by Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria s.j in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission, Vatican. They are Christianity and the World Religions (1997) and The Hope of Salvation for Infants who Die Without being Baptised(2007).1

POPE FRANCIS HAS MADE PHILOSOPHICAL ERRORS

He does not deny that Pope Francis has made the same two philosophical errors in his interpretation of Vatican Council II. He has violated the Principle of Non Contradiction.

OBJECTIVE MISTAKE MADE BY POPE FRANCIS

In other words the pope made an objective mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.Ralph Martin himself has been teaching this error at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit.

RALPH MARTIN TOO HAS BEEN USING THE FALSE PREMISE

Ralph Martin has been using a false premise like everbody else to create a New Theology which is a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as it was interpreted by the missionaries in the 16th century.Vatican Council II is wrongly made a rupture with Tradition.

It is being done with Cushingite theology an innovation in the Church which replaced the traditional Feeneyite theology based upon invisible people just being invisible.

RALPH MARTINS BOOKS DO NOT SAY ALL NON CATHOLICS ORIENTED TO HELL ACCORDING TO VATICAN COUNCIL II

In his books Ralph Martin could not say that all Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Pentecostals and Evangelicals were on the way to Hell since they were outside the Church,without Catholic faith(AG 7). They needed 'faith and baptism'(AG 7,LG 14 Vatican Council II) to avoid the fires of Hell.Cushingite theology with its alleged known exceptions to the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology, based on the dogma EENS, prevented him from saying this.

Martin could not say that Vatican Council II indicates that most people are oriented to Hell since they die without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church, the only Church Jesus founded outside of which there is no salvation.

HYPOTHETICAL CASES ARE EXPLICIT IN THE PRESENT TIMES ALSO FOR DR.ROBERT FASTIGGI

Instead he has assumed, like his colleague Prof. Robert Fastiggi, at the seminary in Detroit, that LG 16(invincible ignorance/good conscience, LG 8(elements of sanctification and truth/subsists it) , LG 14(catechumens with the desire to be in the Church), AG 7(incuplably ignorant of the Gospel) , UR 3 (the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation, NA 2(The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions/they often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men), GS 22(all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way),AG 11( seeds of the Word) etc,refer to personally known cases saved outside the Church.For me they are hypothetical and theoretical cases only and so would not be relevant to the dogma EENS.For Ralph Martin they are people known, visible, saved outside the Church and so there is salvation outside the Church for him.This is the new theology which he teaches.

BISHOP SANBORN AND ROBERT FASTIGGI WERE UNAWARE OF CUSHINGITE THEOLOGY

This has also been the false theology of his colleague Dr.Robert Fastiggi, who expressed it indirectly in his debate with the sedevacantist Bishop Donald Sanborn, who is also a Cushingite.Fastigggi wanted Sanborn to accept Vatican Council II with this irrational premise and new theology.This was magisterial for him.Sanborn was using the same irrational premise with the non traditional conclusion and so was rejecting Vatican Council II. It is with this insight into their problem I had to helplessly watch the Youtube video on line hoping I could help in some way.

RALPH MARTIN AND ROBERT FASTIGGI TACITLY AGREE POPES VIOLATED PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION

They both tacitly agree now that they are aware that Pope Benedict and Pope Francis, like them at Detroit, violated the Principle of Non Contradiction in their interpretation of Vatican Council II.2

Since 1)) the baptism of desire is not physically visible in 2017 and 2)  invisible baptism of desire cannot be a visible exception to the dogma EENS?

POSSIBILITIES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II CANNOT BE EXCEPTIONS TO EENS IN 2017

A possibility cannot be an exception to EENS in the present times.To infer that a possibility is an exception to the dogma EENS is Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, AG 7, UR 3 , NA 2, GS 22 and AG 11 are only possibilities.Speculation with good will.Theoretical hypothesis.

RUPTURE WITH MAGISTERIUM OF THE PAST

The conclusion, created with the false premise, for Martin and Fastiggi, like the two popes, is a rupture with the Magisterium of the past.

We have the present Magisterium of popes, ecclesiastics at the Vatican,in rebellion against the Magisterium of the ecclesiastics  of, for example, the 16th century.

Pope Benedict confirmed this in March 2016 when he announced through daily Avvenire, that EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.

POPE BENEDICT REFUSED TO AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II WITHOUT THE FALSE PREMISE

He was not going to announce that he personally interpreted EENS and Vatican Council II without the false premise and so there was no development of the dogma with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite).Instead he was using his office to enforce the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the false premise.

NO DENIAL FROM MARTIN AND FASTIGGI : POPES MADE AN ERROR IN THEOLOGY AND DOCTRINE

Now Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi are not denying that the two popes made a factual and objective error in their interpretation of Vatican Council II, with the use of a false premise.How can they defend the popes? They cannot say  that invisible cases are objectivly visible and so the popes were correct.

NO DENIAL THAT THE SAME ERROR IS THERE IN RALPH MARTINS BOOOKS

They are not denying that the same error was made by Ralph Martin in his writings.His books are not Feeneyite but Cushingite.Like Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus he accepted the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.

OFFICIAL THEOLOGY FLAWED IN THE ARCHDIOCESE OF DETROIT

The same error is the official theology in the Archdiocese of Detroit and at the Major Seminary where they teach.-Lionel Andrades  

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THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED

The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without  being baptized', International Theological Commission, 2007

59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.

When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire, so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”. - The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without  being baptized', International Theological Commission, 2007

'it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality(reapse) as a member of the Church.'

Why is it not necessary?

Since there are exceptions for the popes.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/pope-benedict-approved-mistake-of.html

 CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS

'10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22)...'-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions

'on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church'

A possibility is not a visible case.This is a mistake in the inference.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/international-theological-commission.html

67. Vatican Council II makes its own the expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus. But in using it the council explicitly directs itself to Catholics and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation. The council holds that the affirmation is based on the necessity of faith and of baptism affirmed by Christ (LG 14). In this way the council aligned itself in continuity with the teaching of Pius XII, but emphasized more clearly the original parenthentical character of this expression.- Christianity and the World Religions 1997,International Theological Commission

'and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation.'

Those 'who do not know', who are in invincible ignorance, and are allegedly saved would be known only to God. They are invisible cases for us on earth. So they are not relevant to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus.Here the ITC has made a mistake.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/international-theological-commission.html

JUNE 26, 2012

ITC documents 'Christianity and the World Religions' and 'The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptized ' need to be retracted or corrected: Richard Cushing flaw runs throughhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/itc-documents-christianity-and-world.html

SEPTEMBER 16, 2016

Archbishop Guido Pozzo talks about doctrine with reference to the SSPX but does not mention the error of Pope Benedict and the International Theological Commission in which he collaboratedhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/archbishop-guido-pozzo-talks-about.html

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JULY 15, 2017

Experts agree.No denial from Vatican.Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise.Violates Principle of Non Contradiction

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/experts-agreeno-denial-from-vaticanpope.html

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Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome,

Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?

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