The norm for salvation is faith and the baptism of water and we cannot judge any one as being an exception to the norm.So when i meet a non Catholic I know that he is not an exception to the norm.He is lost unless he converts into the Catholic Church. I consider the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance as not being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.There are no literal cases in 2021.So Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition for me. It has a continuity with traditional exclusive salvation. Ad Gente 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So according to the Council all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation(AG 7) and not only those who ‘know’(LG 14).Those who ‘know’ and who are saved are known only to God.The norm for salvation is AG 7 and not LG 14. While LG 14 is not an exception for AG 7.
All the bishopsin Rome agree with me. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation since there are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water who could be exceptions to the Catholic norm for salvation.
Ask any bishop and he will say that personally he does not know of any exceptions since only God can judge if there is an exception to the norm.
At the conference in Trent, Italy, the other day, to promote their book, Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Diana Montagna were telling Italians that they accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise and so they reject the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since LG 16 etc would be exceptions to EENS for them.
So it means that they reject the traditional interpreation of th Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX( with no exceptions), since BOD,BOB and I.I would be exceptions.They reject the Athanasius Creed. Since BOD, BOB and I.I would be exceptions.They are ‘traditionalists’ who interpret Magisterial documents like Pope Francis and Pope Benedict and the liberals.-Lionel Andrades
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