The new Administration of the Franciscans of the Immaculate are not affirming the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and neither are they interpreting LG 8,14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, rationally. For then, with the rational interpretation, Vatican Council II will not be a rupture with traditional exclusivist EENS. It would mean they support Feeneyite EENS.There is a continuity with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.
So they do not want to support Feeneyite EENS and the Councils of 1215 and 1442. They do not want to affirm EENS like the popes and missionaries of the 16th century. They want a theological rupture with the ecclesiology of St. Francis of Assisi, St. Bonaventure, St. Anthony of Padua, Duns Scotus and St. Maximillian Kolbe.
This is a canonical issue. There is no comment of denial
from them. This is the approved position of the Jewish Left and Masons and so
also that of Pope Francis.
But it means they are
re-interpreting the Nicene Creed heretically, they have to reject the
Athanasius Creed and produce new versions of the Catechisms. This is a
different faith. It cannot be approved by Canon Law.
When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II irrationally like them it is not Magisterial. He has a rational and traditional option. This is schism with the past Magisterium and a scandal.They want Fr. Stefano Manellli ffi and the whole community to follow this error.
- Lionel Andrades
APRIL 26, 2023
This is the moral thing to do
FFI NEW ADMINISTRATION INTERPRETS VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONALLY
The seminary and old Church of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, in Boccea, Rome of Fr. Stefano Mannelli ffi., is not being opened since legally the Vatican and the Left, want the Latin-group, to accept Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and not rationally. They themselves, the ecclesiastical hierarchy, will not interpret the Council rationally. This is a legal issue.
The Franciscans of the Immaculate must challenge the election of the new administration which interprets Vatican dishonestly. Why must the whole community, men and women religious, interpret the Council irrationally and unethically?
They are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally even after being informed. They are doing in intentionally.
So they also change the understanding of the Nicene Creed, the Athanasius Creed and the Catechisms. This is not the Catholic Faith.
The seminary and old church are closed because Fr. Stefano Mannelli fi and the Comitato dell Immaculata will not accept Vatican Council II interpreted dishonestly.
ALL RELGIOUS COMMUNITIES MUST INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II RATIONALLY.
All religious communities (Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans, and Jesuits etc) must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally. This is being honest. This would be legal. Both groups of the FFI must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally. Vatican Council II (irrational) brings division into the Catholic Church. It is dishonest.
The Comitato dell Immaculata must not hand over the old seminary and church to any religious group, which does not interpret Vatican Council II rationally.
Now the Novus Ordo Mass is being offered by Fr. Bruno Afonso and the new administration at different churches and parishes and no one objects.Why is Mass offered in Italian by the FFI priests, who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, instead of rationally at the church, for example, at the Annunziata at Lungotevere, near the Vatican ? Here lives Fr. Giuseppe Grioni fi, the former Parish Priest of the FFI at the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, where the FFI seminary is located. Other priests live here who are approved by the new administration. Can they interpret the Council rationally and live there at this church and offer Mass in Italian?
Now with Vatican Council II (irrational) these priests are also supporting the Synod with all its innovation and liberalism.
FRANCISCAN SISTERS OF THE IMMACULATE.
At Casino, Italy, Mass is offered by FFI priests who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and even the religious sisters, attend Mass, do the same. The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate must announce that they will only interpret Vatican Council II rationally. This is the moral thing to do.
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have to live and work under a new administration, which interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and unethically. This is immoral.
The Council must only be interpreted rationally. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc must refer to hypothetical cases only. This is a given. This is common sense. This is how the Franciscans of the Immaculate Sisters too must interpret the Council and ask the new administration to do the same. -Lionel Andrades
APRIL 25, 2023
The Comitato dell Immaculata must demand that the new administration of the Franciscans of the Immaculate interpret Vatican Council II rationally and re-open the FFI seminary and old church in Boccea, Rome,. The Council is no more an issue
The Comitato dell Immaculata must demand that the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (FFI) seminary and old church in Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, be re-opened. Since the issue is no more Vatican Council II for the FFI.It is Pope Francis, the cardinals and bishops who must accept Vatican Council II interpreted only rationally. So they will then become traditionalists immediately. The Council interpreted rationally supports the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church. There is no other choice.
We now have the possibility of creating unity in doctrine and theology in the Church after the New Theology was produced with the mistake of the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston. The error was repeated at Vatican Council II (1965-2023).It was inserted in the Denzinger and not corrected in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
APRIL 23, 2023
Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI the new Minister General of the Order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II. I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.
APRIL 27, 2023
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate must know that Fr. Serafino Lanzetta, Corrado Gnerre, Roberto dei Mattei and Mons. Brunero Gherardino made a mistake on Vatican Council II.
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate must know that Fr. Serafino Lanzetta, Corrado Gnerre,Roberto dei Mattei and Mons. Brunero Gherardino made a mistake on Vatican Council II.
They projected Vatican Council II as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So, for them, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, refer to physically visible non Catholic cases in the present times. This is a false premise. Since LG 8 etc are always invisible for us human beings.
Then they assumed that there were visible cases of salvation outside the Church and that these were objective exceptions for the dogma EENS (Fourth Lateran Council 1215).This was an irrational inference. So there was a false premise and a false inference with which they interpreted Vatican Council II.
Then they concluded that Vatican Council II rejected EENS and the past ecclesiocentrism. The Athanasius Creed had become obsolete. It says everyone needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation.
This was the way Pope Benedict and the liberal theologians reasoned and Lanzetta, Gnerre, Mattei and Gherardino followed them. It is the same with the new administration of the FFI, which replaces the Commissar.
Now we have a rational choice. We can interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, as being only theoretical and hypothetical. They exist only in our mind. We cannot meet or see someone saved with the baptism of desire (LG 14) or in invincible ignorance(LG 16) or elements of sanctification and truth in other religion (LG 8), or where someone is saved outside the visible boundaries of the Church, where the true Church ‘subsists’ (LG 8) etc.
So when Vatican Council II is no more a break with Tradition the Council should no more be a problem for the Franciscans of the Immaculate. The Council becomes a problem for the liberals. The Council becomes a problem for the new administration of the FFI. They are now dishonestly interpreting the Council with the fake premise and inference and want everyone to do the same for canonical and official recognition. -Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate.html
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APRIL 27, 2023
Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate interpret Vatican Council II rationally and support Tradition : the Council only supports the ecclesiology of the 1962 Missal. There is no other rational and ethical option
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APRIL 26, 2023
Franciscans of the Immaculate : the issue is no more the Latin Mass
There is no more a Commissar for the Franciscans of the Immaculate. The priests who make up the new administration reject Tradition by accepting Vatican Council II interpreted only irrationally. The founder of the community Fr. Stefano Manelli fi has been set aside since he rejects Vatican Council II interpreted ir-rationally.
The new administration needs to affirm Vatican Council II (rational) and ask Cardinal Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj, the former Commissar, to do the same.
When they interpret Vatican Council II rationally then they could be expelled. For then they would be affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no known exceptions. The Jewish Left and the Vatican did not accept this when it was done by the SSPX General Statement 2012. Morally this is the thing to do for a Catholic - interpret the Council rationally.
So the issue now is no more the Latin Mass.Since if the FFI accepted Vatican Council II ( irrational) they could be allowed to offer the Latin Mass as in the case of the FSSP, ICKTKGS etc.
The issue is :is Vatican Council II interpreted with a rational or irrational premise. If those who offer the Novus Ordo Mass interpret the Council in harmony with the Council of Florence (1442) they will be expelled. But this is the right thing to do for a Catholic. -Lionel Andrades
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