Wednesday, May 10, 2023

When there are exceptions for EENS in Vatican Council II then Pope Francis is saying that the Nicene Creed has been changed. How can he offer Mass after changing the Creeds ?

 






FEBRUARY 22, 2023

But if there are exceptions for EENS then the Nicene Creed is saying 1) there are three or more baptisms, 2) they are physically visible for them to be exceptions for EENS, and 3) they exclude the baptism of water and so are practical exceptions for EENS. 4) So EENS is obsolete since there are known exceptions

 

Anyone who interprets Vatican Council II irrationally is changing the Creeds. Since the False Premise and Inference, creates new doctrines.

The False Premise creates alleged objective exceptions for the Nicene Creed, ‘ I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins’. 

With the False Premise the Nicene Creed is changed to, “ I believe in three or more known and visible baptisms, people seen saved without faith and the baptism of water. They are saved instead with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc”. The baptism of water, which is physically visible, is changed into three or more known baptisms, also physically visible.This is a new doctrine.

They would have to be known baptisms otherwise they could not be exceptions for the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).So officially there are exceptions for EENS.It is now : outside the Catholic Church there is known salvation. This is a new doctrine.Invisible cases cannot be visible and known exceptions for EENS.So it is implied that these are physically visible cases.

Everyone does not need to be a member of the Church for salvation, as it was taught by the missionaries in the 16th century.This is new doctrine.It comes from the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston.

This big change comes only when LG 8, !4, and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are confused as visible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in the present times (1965-2023). Then there are exceptions for EENS.

But if there are exceptions for EENS then the Nicene Creed is saying 1) there are three or more baptisms, 2) they are physically visible for them to be exceptions for EENS, and 3) they exclude the baptism of water and so are practical exceptions for EENS. 4) So EENS is obsolete since there are known exceptions.- Lionel Andrades







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NICENE CREED
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.


SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2016
The Vatican Curia interprets the Nicene Creed with irrational Cushingism : 'I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins.'
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-vatican-curia-interprets-nicene.html


The Nicene Creed was changed with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistake : it was approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/the-nicene-creed-was-changed-with.html

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MARCH 9, 2021

The Creeds are no more a sign of unity in the Catholic Church since there can be two interpretations.

 


Someone placed copies of the Apostles Creed on the table at the entrance of the church where I went for Holy Mass today in Italian.

The Creeds are no  more a sign of unity in the Church since there can be two interpretations. The line marked in red is now controversial.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints..- Apostles Creed

The confusion came into the Church during the Fr. Leonard Feeney case when unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were considered objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So the New Theology said there is salvation outside the Church; known salvation, while the past Magisterium would state over the centuries that outside the Church there is no salvation.

So for me,the the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church today ( Ad Gentes 7, Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 etc) that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and all must accept Jesus and his teachings in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell and go to Heaven.


While for other Catholics in church the new teaching is that the Holy Spirit teaches the Church today that outside the Church there is salvation and all do not need to be members of the Church ,to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

For me being in communion with the saints means affirming the past interpretation of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance which was rational. It did not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS.

Those who recite the Apostles Creed in the Church today are in a rupture theologically and doctrinally with the Apostles, the Church Fathers, the saints of the Middle Ages and the saints before the 1940s like St. Maximillian Kolbe who held the strict interpretation of EENS and affirmed the Athanasius Creed too.

Most Catholics are in a break with the saints, since today they interpret BOD and I.I as practical exceptions to EENS. Catholics have to choose to believe in BOD and I.I or EENS. So they contradict the past saints.

I can accept both-BOD and I.I and EENS- and I do not have to choose. The BOD and I.I are invisible cases for me in 2021 but the rest of the Church implies that they are visible. So they become practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for them.

For me the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) made an objective mistake which was overlooked at Vatican Council II. The present two popes and many traditionalists, accept the LOHO with the mistake and do not correct it.

The Nicene Creed affirms the necessity of the baptism of water for the forgiveness of sins and the Athanasius Creed says outside the Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades

https://lifeteen.com/blog/why-do-catholics-pray-the-creed/

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FEBRUARY 2, 2020

Cardinal Ratzinger is a Cushingite and has interpreted the Nicene Creed with a false premise and inference which was not the understanding of the past centuries.Ignatius Press has published Credo for Today addressed to Christians and not Catholics. The Nicene Creed can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism and the conclusion would be different.

Credo for Today
Cardinal Ratzinger is a Cushingite and has interpreted the Nicene Creed with a false premise and inference which was not the understanding of the past centuries.Ignatius Press has published Credo for Today addressed to Christians and not Catholics.
The Nicene Creed can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism and the conclusion would be different.1

The Vatican Curia interprets the Nicene Creed with irrational Cushingism : 'I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins.' 2

When the Creed is interpreted with Cushingism the result is first class heresy in the hierarchy of truth of Pope John Paul II.  3

So there are two interpretations of the Nicene Creed and Pope Benedict and the traditionalists are following the irrational one.4
So now we have two interpretations of the Nicene Creed-mine and that of the Pope Benedict, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the SSPX, F.I, FSSP etc.5

The Ignatius Press, Description of the book Credo for Today indicates the Creed is re-interpreted with the false premise, inference and conclusion.This is a mortal sin of faith. 6

Fundamentals of Catholicism, Vol. 1 The Faith for Beginners
This error would also be there in other books on the Creed like Fundamentals of Catholicism by Fr.Kennet Baker sj(Ignatius Press).There is the book Faith for Beginners, Understanding the Creeds by Rev.Dennis K.Walters, Stephen K.Ray).7
-Lionel Andrades


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What do Christians believe? What gives meaning to our life? What is the purpose of life? The Christian answer to these questions is found in the Creed, in the profession of faith. But what do the articles of this confession actually mean? And how to they affect our lives?
Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, takes a fresh look at these timeless questions. This work is a reflection of the profound, personal insights of Benedict XVI, but also of the great foundations of Christianity: faith, hope, and charity.
Ratzinger writes eloquently and persuasively about the importance for followers of Christ to understand well what they believe so one can live as a serious Christian in today's secular world. He talks in depth about the true meaning of faith, hope, and love?the love of God and the love of neighbor. He also discusses the crucial importance of a lived faith, for the believer himself as well as being a witness for our age, and striving to bring faith in line with the present age that has veered off into rampant secularism and materialism.

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 MARCH 10, 2021

My interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed is different from yours

 My interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed is different from yours.  - Lionel Andrades


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