Comment from The Vortex — The Church is Necessary for Heaven - 1

John Stone4 days ago (edited)

How did the thief on the cross get to heaven without the church? Didn't Jesus say, "I am the way"? How is the church the way to heaven?

Lionel : The dogma EENS says all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. This is also the message in Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7. It says all need faith and baptism for salvation. Ad Gentes 7 is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846- Outside the Church No Salvation).We do not and cannot know of any one in 2019 who will be saved outside the Church.

There is no known Dismas or Good Thief known today. If someone is saved outside the Church it would only be

known to God. Catholic Faith and the baptism of water are the ordinary means of salvation, the only means of salvation for us humans. We cannot know of an extraordinary means.

of salvation.

Jesus said that he is the way and he also said that the baptism of water is necessary for salvation (John 3:5). He also said that those who do not believe in Him would be

condemned (Mark 16:16).The baptism of water was given in a community. One had to be a member of the community, the Early Church for salvation.-Lionel Andrades