Ludwig Ott wrote in the early 1950's and was influenced by the Americanists.So his concept of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) had exceptions. The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I), were exceptions to EENS for Ludwig Ott.It was the same for Fr. John Hardon and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. They would apply the irrational reasoning to the interpretation of the Council-text. The red was an exception to the blue for them when really the red is not an exception to the blue 1.
This was a point overlooked by Fr. William Most too, who was a good apologist.Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i made a mistake when he interpreted Fr. Most's book into Italian for the Franciscans of the Immaculate.Mons.Joseph Clifford Fenton made the same factual mistake. It is a fact of life that there are no visible and known examples of salvation outside the Church in the USA or any other part of the world.
Objectively all who are saved without the baptism of water would only be known in Heaven. On earth we cannot personally meet any such people allegedly saved outside the Church.
So where are the exceptions to exclusive salvation on earth?
Objectively all who are saved without the baptism of water would only be known in Heaven. On earth we cannot personally meet any such people allegedly saved outside the Church.
So where are the exceptions to exclusive salvation on earth?
Chris Ferrara,John Salza,Louie Verrecchio and the sedevacantist bishops Dolan, Sanborn and Pivarunas and others influenced by Archbishop Lefebvre, like Fr. Anthony Cekada, interpreted hypothetical cases as being non hypothetical and objective examples of salvation outside the Church, in the present times.
Among the bloggers the only exception is yours truly on Eucharist and Mission ( Lionel's blog), who does not recommend books written by Mons. Fenton and the traditionalists, at the time of Archbishop Lefebvre.They were correct on Vatican Council II being a rupture with Tradition but were not aware of the false premise they were using to create this rupture.
Life Site News quotes Roberto dei Matti , Paulo Pasqualucci and others who follow the error of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops.Similarly Bishop Athanasius Schneider interprets Vatican Council II and the other papal documents with Cushingism, just like the liberals and the popes, Paul VI.
When we avoid the error of these good Catholics, who meant well, there can be a Restoration.'Rome can come back to the faith', the in words of Archbishop Lefebvre.He was correct to reject Vatican Council II before Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger.But he, like the popes did not know about Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite). -Lionel Andrades
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February 15, 2019
Internet confusion on EENS : based on red being an exception to the blue
The articles on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) on the Internet - Wikipedia, EWTN/Jeff Mirus/Catholic Culture,Catholic Answers, Catholics United for the Faith, SSPX official website and books and websites of liberal Catholics - are misleading. They are based on the red passages being exceptions to the blue.
They have to be read with discernment and the error avoided.-Lionel Andrades
February 9, 2019
It is Vatican Council II which is part of the seismic shift. It has changed before our very eyes ( Graphics )
- Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 9, 2019
The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II
The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II
The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II
We
have a dramatic, extraordinary and new understanding of Vatican Council
II which was always there before our very eyes but no one noticed it.Or
if they did, they kept quiet.
The 50- year- old stereotypes of Vatican Council II being a revolution etc are over.
'The red is not an exception to the blue'. This is the new code.It is the hidden clue.
The old one was 'The red is an exception to the blue'.
Everything hinges on this.
The New Theology was based upon the red being a rupture with the orthodox blue.
We now know that the red passages are hypothetical. Always hypothetical.
They are only possibilities, theoretical and speculative.
They do not refer to personally known people in 2018-2019.
'Zero
cases of something cannot be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus(EENS)' confirms John Martignoni , the apologist at
EWTN.Archbishop Thomas E Gullickson papal nuncio to Switzerland and
Liechtenstein and Fr.Stefano Visintin osb, theologian-physicist and
rector of the University of St. Anselm, Rome - AGREE WITH HIM.
The passages in red are 'zero cases'.
They
do not contradict the past exclusive ecclesiology and an ecumenism of
return. The Council is no more a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of
Pope Pius IX or the teaching on all needing to be members of the
Catholic Church for salvation ( Catechism of Pope Pius X ).
The
red never was an exception to the blue.But this was how the liberals
and ecclesiastics interpreted the Council and the conservatives and
traditionalists, wrongly followed.
Now
we know that the blue is no more contradicted by red passages in Lumen
Gentium 8 as was suggested by Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, at the Placquet
Deo , Press conference ( March 1, 2018).
The
blue passages and EENS are no more contradicted by the red passages in
LG 16 and GS 22 of Vatican Council II. This was a mistake Pope Benedict
and Cardinal Ladaria made in two papers of the International
Theological Commission, Vatican.They were wrong and Fr. Leonard Feeney
of Boston was correct.
Fr.
Leonard Feeney was saying that there are no literal cases of the
baptism of desire(LG 14) etc. The red does not refer to literal cases
and so could not have been practical exceptions, or even relevant, to
EENS.
This
means our entire understanding of Vatican Council II has changed. Move
over Bugnini and Bea. The Council has gone back to 'the pre-Vatican
Council II times'. The 'Conciliar Church' today is traditional and Feeneyite.This is a whopper for the prudent and politically correct within the Church.
It
is Vatican Council II which is part of the seismic shift and it is not
just going back to Tradition and EENS.The Council has changed before
our very eyes.
'The red is not an exception to the blue.' I like that sound.
'The red is not an exception to the blue'. Mama mia! Everything has changed. This is unbelievable!.
-Lionel Andrades
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