Tuesday, October 15, 2019

There was a debate on Ecclesiology between Bishop Donald Sanborn and Prof. Robert Fastiggi and both of them interpreted Vatican Council II (LG 8 etc) as a rupture with Tradition( Syllabus of Errors, EENS etc).They confused invisible and unknown people as being known examples of salvation outside the Church. They confused unknown and hypothetical cases as being visible.

There was a debate on Ecclesiology between Bishop Donald Sanborn and Prof. Robert Fastiggi and both of them interpreted Vatican Council II (LG 8 etc) as a rupture with Tradition( Syllabus of Errors, EENS etc).They confused invisible and unknown people as being known examples of salvation outside the Church. They confused unknown and hypothetical cases as being  visible.They were avoiding the 'Feeneyite' position and so  projected the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, as being relevant and exceptions to EENS as it was known to the Magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century.
 Now that they know that Lumen Gentium etc do not contradict traditional EENS they do not issue a correction and admit that they made a mistake.
They continue to interpret Vatican Council II wrongly to their students and seminarians in the USA.-Lionel Andrades 

June 27, 2016

St.Robert Bellarmine and St. Augustine were Feeneyite in their ecclesiology as were the popes of their times.The popes since Pius XII to Pope Francis have accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949


June 27, 2016

Both of them would at times refer to an EENS or a Vatican Council II which is Cushingite or Feeneyite, I could just watch the mix up,sadly.I could see through the mistake they are both making innocently


June 27, 2016

Bishop Robert Sanborn and Dr.Robert Fastiggi are unaware of Cushing theology and irrational reasoning : at the centre of their debate is really the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus


June 27, 2016

Ecclesiology Debate: Bp. Donald Sanborn vs. Dr. Robert Fastiggi (2004) : irrational non traditional Cushingite theology adopted


Bishop Sanborn uses situation ethics, subjectivism and known exceptions to EENS, as a reasoning, to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition.The liberals do the same

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/bishop-sanborn-uses-situation-ethics.html

The sedevacantist Bishop Sanborn uses Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II and seems unaware of the Feeneyite choice

Ave Maria University like the sedevacantist seminary in Florida uses irrational Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism to interpret Vatican Council II

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April 26, 2016

Bishop Donald Sanborn hiding the truth


Florida seminaries and universities unaware: Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the theology of Feeneyism or Cushingism

Vatican Council II and Islam : two interpretations

At the 'New Traditional College' will the faculty interpret magisterial documents with Feeneyism or Cushingism ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/at-new-traditional-college-will-faculty.html

Sedevacantists after months of discussions cannot answer if Lumen Gentium 16 is explicit or implicit and if it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus


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Sedevacantists are teaching irrationality

Sedevacantists after months of discussions cannot answer if Lumen Gentium 16 is explicit or implicit and if it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

 
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Sedevacantists are teaching irrationality
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/sedevacantists-are-teaching.html

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Bishop Donald Sanborn like Bishop Fellay has made the same mistake : so have Reuters and AP correspondents
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/bishop-donald-sanborn-like-bishop.html



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Sedevacantist seminary repeats the error of the Baltimore Catechism
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/sedevantist-seminary-repeats-error-of.html

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Holy Trinity Seminary does not clarify if they refer to Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8 is visible or invisible


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Sedevacantist article on ecclesiology has the same connfusion as the Pontifical universities and seminaries which they call 'modernist'.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/sedevacantist-article-on-ecclesiology.html

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Sedevacantist and Roman bishops and clergy want to remain politically correct

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/incomplete.html


Bishop Sanborn and Fr.Anthony Cekada do not have a single source to support their position. Not a single reference!
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/bishop-sanborn-and-franthony-cekada-do.html


Four months and the sedevacantists will not answer if LG 16 is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/four-months-and-sedevacantists-will-not.html


Wikipedia and Most Holy Trinity,Florida sedevacantist seminary make the same error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/wikipedia-and-most-holy-trinity-usa.html
Does BOD and I.I refer to visible or invisible cases in 2015 where you live? is a difficult question for a sedevacantist priest
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/does-bod-and-ii-refer-to-visible-or.html
 Sedevacantist seminary is not aware of superflous passages in Vatican Council II originating from the 1949 Marchetti error

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/sedevacantist-seminary-is-not-aware-of.html


Most Rev. Donald Sanborn, Fr. Cekada, Fr. Joseph Selway, Fr. Nicolas Désposito, Rev. Julian Larrabee.- ALL SILENT

There is a mistake on the webpage of the sedevacantist Most Holy Trinity seminary. No one issues a correction/clarification



edevacantist Most Holy Trinity Seminary Fl. since Oct. 10, 2015 does not clarify if in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 8) refers to persons visible or invisible.
You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see
The Baptism of Desire refers to invisible cases. This is common sense. If a pope or saint says otherwise it would be wrong.

Another baptism of desire list in which it is assumed that the deceased are visible to us http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/another-baptism-of-desire-list-in-which.html
Sedevacantists do not realize that the baptism of desire will always be invisible for us. This is not a theory of mine. It is a fact of life.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/sedevantists-do-not-realize-that.html
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AUGUST 21, 2019


Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi agree we cannot identify any exceptions to EENS and there are no visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I but they will not comment on the salvation of non Catholics in Detroithttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/ralph-martin-and-robert-fastiggi-agree.html  

AUGUST 3, 2019


The Holy Spirit still guides Ralph Martin to say invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are physically visible exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology,an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)? This is false. How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake?


JULY 22, 2019


Ralph Martin and Scott Hahn


JULY 24, 2017


NOVEMBER 13, 2018
Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi, have to support heresy and sacrilege, to keep their teaching job https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/ralph-martin-and-robert-fastiggi-have.html

MARCH 18, 2019
Professors Robert Fastiggi, Ralph Martin and Phillip Blosser at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA agree with me : there are no objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in 2019. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/professors-robert-fastiggi-ralph-martin.html

NOVEMBER 11, 2017

No denial by Dr.Robert Fastiggi

OCTOBER 29, 2017

Dr.Robert Fastiggi cannot respond with the usual accusations

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/drrobert-fastiggi-cannot-respond.html

OCTOBER 22, 2017 

DR.ROBERT FASTIGGI'S SCORECARD HTTP://EUCHARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.IT/2017/10/DRROBERT-FASTIGGIS-SCORECARD.HTML

OCTOBER 28, 2017

FACULTY AT SACRED HEART MAJOR SEMINARY AGREE THERE ARE NO KNOWN CASES OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE IN 2017

HTTP://EUCHARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.IT/2017/10/FACULTY-AT-SACRED-HEART-MAJOR-SEMINARY.HTML


OCTOBER 28, 2017

There is an in principle error in the text of Vatican Council II and Dr.Robert Fastiggi is not aware of it http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/there-is-in-principle-error-in-text-of.html



AUGUST 9, 2017

For Ralph Martin,Robert Fastiggi and Phillip Blosser BOD etc refer to invisible cases but students at Detroit have to infer that they are visible
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/for-ralph-martinrobert-fastiggi-and.html

 JULY 13, 2017

Prof. Robert Fastiggi, Ralph Martin agree that invisible people cannot be visible at the same time : in agreement with Fr. Stefano Visintin's statement  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/prof-robert-fastiggi-ralph-martin-agree.html

OCTOBER 22, 2017

Dr.Robert Fastiggi wants Bishop Donald Sanborn and Chris Ferrara to affirm a magisterium in heresy and schism like him

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/drrobert-fastiggi-wants-bishop-donald.html
OCTOBER 30, 2017
Two popes must ask Franciscans, Domincians, Jesuits, Benedictines, Carmelites and other religious organisations and lay movements to affirm Vatican Council II (premise-free) and then do it themselves
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/two-popes-must-ask-franciscans.html
OCTOBER 15, 2017
We are in the same Church but the Polish bishops interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-polish.html

SEPTEMBER 25, 2017

There is a mistake in Vatican Council II : two popes need to be shown that in principle hypothetical cases are not exceptions to EENS


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/there-is-mistake-in-vatican-council-ii.html
DECEMBER 17, 2016
Unprecedented!
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/unprecedented.html
 SEPTEMBER 24, 2017
Two popes need to correct the objective error in salvation theology which cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit and so is not magisterial http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-two-living-popes-need-to-correct.html
SEPTEMBER 23, 2017
The Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit teaches that all non Catholics in 2017 need to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.This is Vatican Council II and the Catechism : present popes are denying this
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-catholic-church-guided-by-holy.html


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