REPLY TO FR. GEORGES DE LAIRE
I strongly suggest you acquaint yourself with their own detailed explanations of their beliefs. Lots of people online shoot from the hip and oversimplify. Here are some sober and lucid explanations:
"Doctrinal Beliefs," by BROTHER ANDRÉ MARIE, M.I.C.M.
"Doctrinal Summary: ‘Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus’" by BROTHER THOMAS MARY SENNOTT, M.I.C.M.
"My Preface to Father Leonard Feeney’s ‘Bread of Life’" by BROTHER ANDRÉ MARIE, M.I.C.M.
Each of these can be found via an Internet search or a search right on the Catholicism[dot]org site.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/reply-to-fr-georges-de-laire
Lionel :
What is not on their website are the following.
FEBRUARY 9, 2021
Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation ) agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus( outside the Church there is no salvation) which also agrees with the Athanasius Creed ( all need the Catholic faith for salvation )
Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation ) agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus( outside the Church there is no salvation) which also agrees with the Athanasius Creed ( all need the Catholic faith for salvation ). - Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 9, 2021
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.1257) says all need the baptism of water for salvation but God is not limited to the Sacraments.Defacto ( practically) all need the baptism of water for salvation and de jure (in principle, hypothetically, speculatively, theoretically) God is not limited to the Sacraments
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.1257) says all need the baptism of water for salvation but God is not limited to the Sacraments.Defacto ( practically) all need the baptism of water for salvation and de jure (in principle, hypothetically, speculatively, theoretically) God is not limited to the Sacraments. - Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 9, 2021
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) states outside the Church there is no salvation (AG 7, CCC 846) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. So if anyone is saved through the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, outside the Church, it would only be known to God, and so it would not be an exception or relevant to the traditional teaching on all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, EENS etc) and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (CCC 846)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) states outside the Church there is no salvation (AG 7, CCC 846) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. So if anyone is saved through the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, outside the Church, it would only be known to God, and so it would not be an exception or relevant to the traditional teaching on all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, EENS etc) and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (CCC 846). - Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 9, 2021
The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS
FEBRUARY 9, 2021
Why should the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA in the Diocese of Manchester, and other Catholics in the diocese, interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with a false premise ?
Why should the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA in the Diocese of Manchester, and other Catholics in the diocese, interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with a false premise ?
1.The baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance are hypothetical cases only - and they are always hypothetical.Why should Catholics say they are not hypothetical and so objective exceptions to Feeneyite EENS in 2021 ?
2.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are always hypothetical and theoretical cases only. Why should Catholics interpret them as being objective persons in the present times(1965-2021)saved outside the Church and so exceptions to Feeneyite EENS ?. -Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 8, 2021
If the CDF is honest the sanctions should also apply to the Judicial Vicar and Chancellor of the Diocese of Manchester, who are faking it,with the false premise and inference. It should also apply to cardinals and bishops and ecclesiastics at the Vatican
REPLY TO FR. GEORGES DE LAIRE
On that basis, and that the Slaves had persisted in their obstinacy and that scandal had continued, the Manchester diocese placed the prohibitions on the group which were to take effect in January 2019. The decree of prohibitions bears the signatures of Fr. de Laire and of Diane Quinlan, the diocesan chancellor.
The decree stated that only the Anointing of the Sick for a person in danger of physical death by an approved priest would be allowed at the group’s property, and that no priest would validly hear Confession and impart Absolution at the property except for a penitent in imminent danger of physical death.
It added that documents signed by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart in April and July 2009, after which the then-bishop had provided for a priest to say Mass at their property, were null and void.- Catholic News Agency, Vatican upholds prohibitions placed on Feeneyite group by diocese in New Hampshire
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/02/04/vatican-upholds-prohibitions-placed-on-feeneyite-group-by-diocese-in-new-hampshire/
The prohibitions are being imposed upon Brother Andre Marie MICM and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St. Benedict Center, N.H, since they interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) without the false premise.If Fr.Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar and Diane Quinlan,diocesan chancellor, in the Diocese of Manchester, USA, did not use the fake premise to deceptively reject EENS, the sanctions, decree of precepts and prohibitions could also apply to them.
Similarly if Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine Di Noia, Secretaries at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican, and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the CDF, did not use the fake premise, to interpret Vatican Council II, then the Council would not contradict 16th century EENS.It would not contradict EENS according to the Church Fathers and Medieval Fathers.There would b no split with the past Magisterium and popes.Since there would be no new revelation in Vatican Council II and no development of doctrine.
It would then mean that the CDF ecclesiastics are affirming the strict interpretation of EENS. The same interpretation of the St. Benedict Center.
So if the CDF is honest the sanctions should also apply to the Judicial Vicar and Chancellor of the Diocese of Manchester, who are faking it,with the false premise and inference. It should also apply to cardinals and bishops and ecclesiastics at the Vatican. -Lionel Andrades
https://www.catholicnh.org/assets/Documents/About/FAQ/Decree-Precepts-StBenedictCtr.pdf
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