Italy needs a Catholic political party similar to the Lega but which would be traditional on the Catholic Faith, since Vatican Council II would be re-interpreted rationally

Italy needs a Catholic political party similar to the Lega but which would be traditional on the Catholic Faith, since Vatican Council II would be re-interpreted rationally. Tradition would not be associated with only the Latin Mass. When Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally there is no liberalism. The orthodox-liberal division ends in the Church.

Italy needs a political party who’s Constitution and ethos would be Catholic but would be open to all people of goodwill, even non Catholics.

THERE CANNOT BE A POPE WHO  INTERPRETS VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONALLY

We can no more associate Tradition only with the Latin Mass. Also the political parties here can no more associate Catholicism with a pope who is liberal in faith, morals and mission.Since he interprets Vatican Council II, only irrationally. He chooses a fake premise to produce an irrational conclusion, as did the popes since Paul VI.

The leadership for this political party would have to come from different sources. Since presently even the right wing political parties obey the leftist demands in order to be recognized. 

The Lega and Forza Nuova leadership interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and so there is the traditionalist-liberal division in the Church. The liberalism would not be there if they interpreted the Council rationally. With the rational interpretation, those who attend the Novus Ordo Mass would be supporting the historical exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church in Italy. 

LEGA NEEDS A DEPT. FOR RELIGION

At the Lega reunion at Pontida the people were  not told about Vatican Council II, rational. The leftist pope , cardinals and bishops are not going to tell them about it.The Lega supporters  do not know that if they as a political interpret Vatican Council II rationally then the pope, cardinals and bishops would have to do the same. The Catholic Church would return to the Old Theology and so would be conservative again on faith, morals and mission.There would be no separation of Church and State. Now instead the Church is associated with the Left and there is no  separation with the political forces of evil.

There cannot be a political humanism or right wing values without the active support of an orthodox and conservative Catholic Church.This is only possible immediately, when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally i.e LG 8, 14,15,16, UR3, NA2, GS 22 etc refer to only invisible and not visible cases in 1965-2023.

Lega has a department for sports and the youth but not a department for religion.

Salvini objected to an Imam speaking in a church. According to Vatican Council II (rational) all need faith and baptism for salvation. So the Church would now be saying that the Imam is outside the Church and is on the way to Hell, without Catholic faith and the baptism of water. Now with the Lega accepting Vatican Council II, irrational, the Church and the Lega are saying that outside the Church there is known salvation and so there are exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So all do not need to enter the Church. Also inter faith marriages are encouraged since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church. Since there is alleged known salvation outside the Church the exclusivist ecclesiology is no more there. So it is said that if ecclesiology can be changed in the Church then the Church's position on homosexuality, polygamy etc can be changed too. This arguement would not be possible when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally.

-Lionel Andrades

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SEPTEMBER 9, 2023

The discovery

 

The discovery

We have a discovery today. It’s ‘a small point’ but this small point turns the Council around. From liberalism the Council returns to Tradition. So by ignoring this small point, we have liberalism in the Church. This small point, is the premise: the rational and irrational premise. It decides if Vatican Council II has a continuity or break with Tradition. This is the discovery. We now have a switch. We can turn it off or on. We can choose a continuity with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors or a rupture with Tradition.   -Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades

former Staff Reporter, daily Morning News, Karachi, Pakistan.

Recipient of the All Pakistan Newspaper Society (APNS) Best Reporter of the Year Award, presented by the Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto.

Recipient of the Pakistan Government's Award for Literature ( Childrens stories).

Teacher of English and Church History at the Catholic Minor Seminary, Rawalpindi.                                                                                                 

 

                                                            Bishop Anthony Lobo

Sent to Rome for Ministerial Priesthood by Bishop Anthony Lobo, bishop of Rawalpindi-Islamabad, Pakistan.

Discriminated against by the pontifical universities and seminaries in Rome.He interprets Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. So there is a continuity with Tradition. He is not allowed to study at pontifical universities in  Rome,  where it is obligatory to interpret Magisterial Documents, irrationally and unethically.Catholic students and seminarians are discriminated against. This is public and official.

However we have a new discovery in the Catholic Church. There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral, when it is interpreted rationally i.e LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases. So they are not objective examples of salvation. They are not objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.The Creeds must not be changed.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version of the Creeds, Catechisms and Councils, which is heretical, non-traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents and call it Catholic.

Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray, Balthazar, Kung, Lefebvre and Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally. We can today choose to interpret the Council rationally and in harmony with Tradition.

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