So in future they would only review books on the Council which do not assume hypothetical references in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are objective examples of salvation outside the Church in the present times.
The NCR cannot claim that Vatican Council II supports the new ecumenism when there is no theological basis in the Council,interpreted rationally.Unitatis Redintigratio 3 (Decree on Ecumenism) in Vatican Council II always refers a to a hypothetical case. So it is not a practical exception to the old ecumenism of return.
Similarly Vatican Council II cannot support a new theology which suggests non Christians, are going to Heaven.Since now we know that hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not real people in 2020, saved with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7), outside the Church.
So are back to the old ecclesiology without having to reject a rational interpretation of the Council.
When the NCR refers to indigenous theologies and theologies in context and culture this is something 'out of the blue' since there is no rational theological basis anywhere for this in Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).
It would be odd for Michael Sean Winters to still write on Vatican Council II and assume that invisible people are visible. In this way he would ignore what I have written here and also e-mailed him over the last few months.
Basically what I have been saying is that unknown and invisible cases referred to in Vatican Council II cannot be known and physically visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.So the understanding of the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II have not changed.They still are traditional.
The liberal theologian Paul Lakeland, ex-Jesuit, whose book on Vatican Council II, based on the false premise, which was reviewed on the National Catholic Reporter, agrees with me.-Lionel Andrades
January 15, 2020
Bishops conferences e.g Poland etc, can switch to a rational interpretation of the Council and replace the present obsolete, liberal version. The Council is not rejected.It is read in a different way. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/01/bishops-conferences-eg-poland-etc-can.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
The
National Catholic Reporter reviews of the books by Fr. Jared Wicks sj
and Prof. Paul Lakeland on Vatican Council II were flawed. The authors
made a mistake ( Graphics) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-national-catholic-reporter-reviews.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
The
National Catholic Reporter reviews of the books by Fr. Jared Wicks sj
and Prof. Paul Lakeland on Vatican Council II were flawed. The authors
made a mistake ( Graphics) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-national-catholic-reporter-reviews.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
The
National Catholic Reporter's reviews of the books by Fr. Jared Wicks sj
and Prof. Paul Lakeland on Vatican Council II, were flawed.The authors
had made a mistake. Vatican Council II was interpreted by them with
false reasoning.The NCR must admit it. Both authors read the Council
superficially.Then they assumed hypothetical cases were objective
exceptions to the past ecclesiology of the Church. This is irrational.
So the authors conclusions and those of the editors and correspondents
of the NCR were irrational, non traditional and an artifical rupture
with Catholic theology and doctrines on salvation etc. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-national-catholic-reporters-reviews.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
Massimo
Faggioli and Michael Sean Winters liberalism was based on an irrational
interpretation of Vatican Council II.The National Catholic Reporter had
two books reviewed, which interpreted Vatican Council II with the
superficial and false reasoning.The books were authored by Paul Lakeland
and Fr. Jared Wicks sj. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/massimo-faggiolis-and-michael-sean.html
NOVEMBER 19, 2019 Michael Sean Winters and Massimo Faggioli have converted ? https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/michael-sean-winters-and-massimo.html
NOVEMBER 19, 2019
The Vatican websites in general have a mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
The
National Catholic Reporter's reviews of the books by Fr. Jared Wicks sj
and Prof. Paul Lakeland on Vatican Council II, were flawed.The authors
had made a mistake. Vatican Council II was interpreted by them with
false reasoning.The NCR must admit it. Both authors read the Council
superficially.Then they assumed hypothetical cases were objective
exceptions to the past ecclesiology of the Church. This is irrational.
So the authors conclusions and those of the editors and correspondents
of the NCR were irrational, non traditional and an artifical rupture
with Catholic theology and doctrines on salvation etc. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-national-catholic-reporters-reviews.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
Massimo
Faggioli and Michael Sean Winters liberalism was based on an irrational
interpretation of Vatican Council II.The National Catholic Reporter had
two books reviewed, which interpreted Vatican Council II with the
superficial and false reasoning.The books were authored by Paul Lakeland
and Fr. Jared Wicks sj. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/massimo-faggiolis-and-michael-sean.html
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
Massimo
Faggioli and Michael Sean Winters liberalism was based on an irrational
interpretation of Vatican Council II.The National Catholic Reporter had
two books reviewed, which interpreted Vatican Council II with the
superficial and false reasoning.The books were authored by Paul Lakeland
and Fr. Jared Wicks sj. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/massimo-faggiolis-and-michael-sean.html
NOVEMBER 19, 2019 Michael Sean Winters and Massimo Faggioli have converted ? https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/michael-sean-winters-and-massimo.html
NOVEMBER 19, 2019
The Vatican websites in general have a mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
NOVEMBER 17, 2019
Pope
Francis needs to tell Eugenio Scalfari that articles and reports in his
newspaper on Vatican Council II have a built-in error : Andrea
Tornielli needs to clean up the Vatican websites which carry the same
mistake https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/pope-francis-needs-to-tell-eugenio.html
NOVEMBER 17, 2019
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NOVEMBER 17, 2019
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NOVEMBER 20, 2019
The National Catholic Reporter reviews of the books by Fr. Jared Wicks sj and Prof. Paul Lakeland on Vatican Council II, were flawed.The authors had made a mistake. Vatican Council II was interpreted by them with false reasoning.The NCR must admit it. Both authors read the Council superficially.Then they assumed hypothetical cases were objective exceptions to the past ecclesiology of the Church. This is irrational.
So the authors conclusions and those of the editors and correspondents of the NCR were irrational, non traditional and an artifical rupture with Catholic theology and doctrines on salvation etc.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-national-catholic-reporters-reviews.html
DECEMBER 5, 2019
The autumn general assembly of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Baltimore Nov. 13, 2019, did not discuss how Vatican Council II can be interpreted in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) - and Massimo Faggioli has no comment on this.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-autumn-general-assembly-of-us.html
NOVEMBER 4, 2019
NOVEMBER 4, 2019
So Massimo Faggioli can no more interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabusof Errors, Athanasius Creed etc). https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/so-massimo-faggioli-can-no-more.html
SEPTEMBER 2, 2019
LifeSitesNews
could explain to Michael Sean Winters how doctrinally and theologically
they are not in schism : they affirm Vatican Council II and other
magisterial documents without the false premise https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/lifesitesnews-could-explain-to-michael.html
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The
unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but
dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With
the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are
visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed,
there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over
the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of
water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the
baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or
more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and
ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic
Church'.
3. The
Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic
Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit
guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation
outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism
of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2,
GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of
salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)
in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for
Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with
their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican
Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted
with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite),
the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With
the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It
affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible
ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics
saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a
hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris
Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were
all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive
salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted
EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past
ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without
the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the
necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional
mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is
rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the
Church.
9.Inter
faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more
adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the
Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is
assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case
of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new
heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The
Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the
Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
LifeSitesNews
could explain to Michael Sean Winters how doctrinally and theologically
they are not in schism : they affirm Vatican Council II and other
magisterial documents without the false premise https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/lifesitesnews-could-explain-to-michael.html
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The
unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but
dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over
the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of
water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the
baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or
more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and
ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic
Church'.
3. The
Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic
Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit
guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation
outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism
of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2,
GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of
salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)
in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for
Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with
their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With
the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It
affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible
ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics
saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a
hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris
Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were
all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive
salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted
EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past
ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without
the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the
necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
AUGUST 24, 2019
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