When presenting their defense at future schism-trials, it should be pointed out by the defendants that 1. Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. This can be confirmed in public.

Statement on the trial of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.

 k. can. 1364: “§ 1. The apostate, heretic, and schismatic incurs excommunication latae sententiae, without prejudice to the provisions of can. 194, § 1, no. 2; he may also be punished with the penalties set forth in can. 1336, § 2-4. § 2. If prolonged contumacy or the gravity of the scandal, other punishments may be added, not excluding dismissal from the clerical state.”; (Lionel: This must apply to the clerics of the DDF. They do not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so honestly. When they are rational they are Magisterial. There would be the hermeneutic of continuity with the Magisterium over the centuries.- Lionel Andrades

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When presenting their defense at future schism-trials, it should be pointed out by the defendants that 1. Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.  This can be confirmed in public.

2. So they are in schism with the past Magisterium over the centuries. Again this can be verified in public.

3.The pope must interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so be in communion with the popes of the past, example, Pope Pius X. Now it is common knowledge that he does not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and is not in communion with Pope Pius X.

 POPE FRANCIS MUST ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL 

1.  Pope Francis can be accepted as the pope. It is easy to be in communion with him when he is in communion with the past popes on the Syllabus of Errors, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Church Councils. He must affirm the Catholic Faith in public on this issue.

THE DDF MUST AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II BUT ONLY RATIONAL

2. Vatican Council II (rational) has the hermeneutic of continuity with the past ecclesiocentrism and the rest of Tradition. So it can be accepted. Morally, the Council can only be interpreted rationally. Pope Francis must endorse this interpretation of Vatican Council II in public. Then it will be easy to accept him as a pope who affirms a traditional Vatican Council II.

DDF MUST AFFIRM AND CLARIFY THE FAITH

3. So when the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican can accept these conditions i.e not being in heresy and schism because of the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, then the pope and Vatican Council II ( rational) can easily be accepted by all.

 But first Pope Francis and the DDF must set an example and affirm the Catholic Faith and accept all Church Documents, interpreted only rationally.-       Lionel Andrades

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The pope and the DDF have to accept the Athanasius Creed intact. For some reason they are not doing this. There is no denial on social media. They admit that they reject this Creed. They are also changing the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed. This is first class heresy according to the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II .

Statement on the trial of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.

 c. can. 751: “There is called heresy, the obstinate denial, after having received baptism, of some truth which is to be believed by divine and catholic faith, or obstinate doubt about it; apostasy, the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism, the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.” 

 Lionel: The pope and the DDF have to accept the Athanasius Creed intact. For some reason they are not doing this. There is no denial on social media. They admit that they reject this Creed. They are also changing the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed. This is first class heresy according to the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II .

d. can. 1321 § 4: “Post external violation, imputability is presumed unless it appears otherwise.”;( (Lionel: Agreed . The onus lies with the DDF to prove it is not heretical and schismatic in the face of so many reports on social media which they ignore )  

-Lionel Andrades

Vatican Council II the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms have to be interpreted only rationally. The Vatican offices are not doing this

 Statement on the trial of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.

can. 750 § 2: “One must also firmly accept and hold firmly also all and every one of those things which are proposed definitively by the Magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, those things which are required in order to keep holy and faithfully expound the same deposit of faith; one is therefore opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church who rejects the same propositions to be held definitively.” Lionel. Yes. Vatican Council II the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms have to be interpreted only rationally. The Vatican offices are not doing this. 1

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Pope Francis' statement has no theological foundation in Vatican Council II, interpreted rationally and so honestly.

 

With Pope Francis saying all religions are paths to salvation it is asked if Catholic Tradition is obsolete, in particolar the proclamation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

When I cite the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church I affirm Magisterial Documents, including Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, interpreted only rationally. So I affirm the Apostolic teachings of the Church expressed in the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms which do not change.

I am supported by the writings of Pope John Paul II which opposed indifferentism, Pope Pius X and the popes over the centuries. I am supported by the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16^th century but also the Church Fathers and the Apostles. Pope Francis cannot say the same. He is not in communion with Jesus and His Church. This is a scandal. It is the non separation of the Leftist Vatican State with the leftist government of Sergio Mattarella the President of Italy.

There will be a visitation of the religous community FSSP. It will be based upon Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. So the pope has not rejected these Church Documents. However the visitation will interpret these Church Documents irrationally to produce a non traditional conclusion.It will be the common foregn liberalism of the Church. I return to Tradition when I interpret these same Documents rationally.

So irrespective of what Congar, Rahner and Ratzinger did in 1965, when I interpret Vatican Council II rationally, it is a return to Tradition.

Irrespective of what Pope Francis says and does when I interpret these Documents rationally, it is a return to Tradition.It also makes the  liberalism of the pope obsolete. Pope Francis' statement has no theological foundation in  Vatican Council II, interpreted rationally and so honestly. -Lionel Andrades

Healing Prayer at Medugorje - 30/9/2024

 

Healing Prayer  at Medugorje - 30/9/2024

https://video.marytv.tv/watch/mY5OISspwji?ctx=yDj3O1j6sO8%2CmP9bEiEsi5K

This was not known to Archbishop Carlo Vigano who presented his defense in the schism trial based upon Tradition, when the issue was Vatican Council II irrational and rational. Vatican Council II irrational makes Tradition obsolete. But Vatican Council II rational, his strong point, makes liberalism obsolete. So he had not to cite Archbishop Lefebvre but the posts on this blog

 

Pope Francis, in public, interprets Vatican Council II and the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and the FSSP, SSPX, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and others follow him. They consider this apostolic and magisterial.

Since I interpret Vatican Council II rationally, I have a different perspective. I can see things differently. Our premise, inference and conclusion are different.

Pope Paul VI, Cardinal Ottaviani and Archbishop Lefebvre used the irrational premise (invisible people are visible on earth). The rational premise is invisible people are invisible on earth. So Lumen Gentium 16 etc refers to an invisible case in 1965-2024.

So our inference must also be different since our premise is different. Lumen Gentium 16 is not a break with the dogma EENS for me as it is for them. Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition for them but not for me. Our conclusions are different.

This is something which is there in public and can be verified by anyone interested.

This was not known to Archbishop Carlo Vigano who presented his defense in the schism trial based upon Tradition, when the issue was Vatican Council II irrational and rational. Vatican Council II irrational makes Tradition obsolete. But Vatican Council II rational, his strong point, makes liberalism obsolete. So he had not to cite Archbishop Lefebvre but the posts on this blog. - Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 5, 2020

FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS)

-Lionel Andrades

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NOVEMBER 2, 2016

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.

IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2016.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2016.There is no personally known case.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.

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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.

When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.

-Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/repost-when-irrational-premise-is-used.html

AUGUST 22, 2021

The mainstream Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church

 

The mainstream  Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church.

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine 

of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-

IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2021.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2021.There is no personally known case.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.

When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades

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Lionel Andrades

Promotore dell'interpretazione di Lionel Andrades del Concilio Vaticano II. Per lui il Concilio è dogmatico e non solo pastorale.

Scrittore sulla scoperta delle due interpretazioni del Concilio Vaticano II, l'una razionale e l'altra irrazionale, si interpreta l'una con la falsa premessa e l'altra senza. Uno è Magistrale e l'altro, quello comune, è non Magistrale.

Lo stesso vale per i Credo ei Catechismi.
Ci possono essere due interpretazioni.
Perché i cattolici dovrebbero scegliere una versione irrazionale che è eretica, non tradizionale e scismatica, quando c'è un'opzione razionale che è tradizionale?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

AUGUST 4, 2021

Poland and Hungary need to adopt the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/poland-and-hungary-need-to-adopt-lionel.html

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The FSSP also has to clarify for the Ecclesia Dei communities and traditionalists that they consider the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, to be in heresy and schism, which is the normal outcome of using Vatican Council II , irrational.

 The FSSP also has to clarify for the Ecclesia Dei communities and traditionalists that they consider the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, to be in heresy and schism, which is the normal outcome of using Vatican Council II , irrational.The understanding of the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms are changed. There is a break with the Magisterium before 1949.-1

Lionel Andrades

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Vatican Council II, rational, was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Pope Paul VI. This is a new discovery of some 15 years.

 Now with Vatican Council II, irrational, it is Tradition which is made obsolete.

So at any future schism-trial, traditionalists must defend themselves with Vatican Council II, rational. Vatican Council II, rational, was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Pope Paul VI. This is a new discovery of some 15 years. 1

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Non Apostolic Visitation of the FSSP

 

Non Apostolic Visitation of the FSSP

 

The expected Vatican visitation of the FSSP, termed ‘an apostolic visitation’, is not apostolic in the sense of doctrine and theology. Since the Apostles held what would be termed by the secular media as ‘the strict interpretation’ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They believed that there was salvation in only Jesus and the new Church, which he founded, as the Bible tells us. This was the will of God. He had sent a Savior to expiate for the sins of the world and so prevent souls from being lost to Satan in Hell, after the Fall.

The Church Fathers and Medieval popes, following the Apostles, affirmed the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be members of the Church for salvation. No exceptions are mentioned.But Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican does not affirm the dogma EENS of the Fourth Lateran Council. For him there are objective exceptions in Vatican Council II, when the Council is interpreted irrationally, confusing what is invisible as being visible. He projects invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being objective exceptions for the Apostles and Church Fathers' concept of there being exclusive salvation in only Jesus and the Catholic Church, the One Mediator.

Since Cardinal Fernandez accepts the irrational and nontraditional 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston, he interprets Vatican Council II with the same irrationality. He also makes the same mistake in the interpretation of the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms. This is a public error. It can be verified in public. This is not apostolic. This is not part of the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Four Marks of the Church mentioned in the Nicene Creed. - Lionel Andrades

The FSSP will have to deny Tradition since Vatican Council II irrational is a rupture with Tradition, it is not compatible

 

In the coming investigation of the FSSP the Vatican will be informed that 1 ) the FSSP accepts Pope Francis when he interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally and 2) the FSSP will continue to accept and interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, producing a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Athanasius Creed etc. This will be seen as a rupture with Tradition and it will be expressed by the FSSP in their catechism classes for adults and children and First Holy Communion and Confirmation preparation. This obviously is not traditional.

The FSSP will have to deny Tradition since Vatican Council II irrational is a rupture with Tradition, it is not compatible.There are alleged 'objective exceptions' for the traditional ecclesiocentrism of the Church.- Lionel Andrades

Feast of St. Terese today

 

Today is the feast of St. Terese of Liseux, saint of the Missions, traditional mission based upon their being exclusive salvation in Jesus and only the Catholic Church.

Terese’s traditional missionary concept, like that of the missions in the Middle Ages, is supported and not contradicted by Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, when they are interpreted rationally and not irrationally. They did not confuse invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church and so practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is the mistake of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican today. So it is not apostolic. - Lionel Andrades