'Elements of sanctification and truth in other religions' (LG 8) which lead to salvation, invincible ignorance leading to salvation(LG 16), the baptism of desire (LG 14), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) in Vatican Council II are always hypothetical.There are no objective cases in 2021. So they never ever were objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS. It was only by confusing what is invisible as visible that Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria could project exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
So today we can affirm the strict interpretation of EENS and Vatican Council II, interpreted rationally. We do not have to choose. It's no more either EENS or Vatican Council II.
John Allen jr., Michael Sean Winters and Massimo Faggioli understand what I am saying and they have no correction or opposition to offer. Since the real issue is an empirical observation and not theological reasoning. They cannot deny that the baptism of desire and invincible refer to physically invisible cases in 2021.Then from here theology is created, old or new. -Lionel Andrades
ANUARY 11, 2021
Massimo Faggioli is a Feeneyite since for him hypothetical and speculative cases are not objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Vatican Council II is no more a 'revolution' or a 'new revelation' in the Church for him
Massimo Faggioli is a Feeneyite since for him hypothetical and speculative cases are not objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
Vatican Council II is no more a 'revolution' or a 'new revelation' in the Church for him. -Lionel Andrades
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JANUARY 8, 2021
Michael Sean Winters is a Feeneyite since for him hypothetical and speculative cases are not objective exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of EENS
Michael Sean Winters is a Feeneyite since for him hypothetical and speculative cases are not objective exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). -Lionel Andrades
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JANUARY 10, 2021
A Feeneyite for me is a Catholic who interprets and accepts all Magisterial documents without a false premise and so there is no rupture with Tradition in general
For me a Feeneyite is not a Catholic, who goes only for the Latin Mass, and allegedly rejects the baptism of desire and affirms the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). A Feeneyite for me is a Catholic who interprets and accepts all Magisterial documents without a false premise and so there is no rupture with Tradition in general.
A Cushingite interprets Magisterial documents with a false premise, creating a rupture with the historical, strict interpretation of EENS.
Cardinal Kasper and Koch, Pope Benedict and Popes Francis, the FSSP, SSPX, Paulish Fathers and the St. Benedict Center Still River, USA in the diocese of Worcester, are Cushingites on Vatican Council II. -Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/01/a-feeneyite-for-me-is-catholic-who.html
JANUARY 10, 2021
For me outside the Church there is no salvation is based on the teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7) interpreted rationally (LG 8,LG 16 etc are invisible cases). For others outside the Church there is salvation based on Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally( LG 8, LG 16 etc are visible examples of salvation outside the Church and so practical exceptions to EENS, Athanasius Creed etc
For me outside the Church there is no salvation is based on the teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7) interpreted rationally (LG 8,LG 16 etc are invisible cases). For others outside the Church there is salvation based on Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally( LG 8, LG 16 etc are visible examples of salvation outside the Church and so practical exceptions to EENS, Athanasius Creed etc. -Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/01/for-me-outside-church-there-is-no.html
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JANUARY 9, 2021
Shout from the house tops . Vatican Council II is missionary since Ad Gentes 7 can have no practical exceptions in 2021. EENS is missionary since there can be no practical exceptions in real life. So there are no practical exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church to EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church
Shout from the house tops . Vatican Council II is missionary since Ad Gentes 7 can have no practical exceptions in 2021.
EENS is missionary since there can be no practical exceptions in real life.
So there are no practical exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church to EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. -Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/01/shout-from-house-tops-vatican-council.html
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DECEMBER 5, 2019
The autumn general assembly of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Baltimore Nov. 13, 2019, did not discuss how Vatican Council II can be interpreted in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) - and Massimo Faggioli has no comment on this.
They approved the revised document on strategic priorities for 2021 to 2024 (evangelization, vocations, life and dignity of the human person, the protection of children) writes Faggioli, in Commonweal.2 He does not mention how the Council can be re-interpreted in harmony with Tradition.
When I say this I assume Faggioli and Winters will interpret the Council rationally and honestly. 3
So the bishops must know, like Massimo Faggioli and Michail Sean Winters, that they can no more interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc).
Such an important issue was missing from the agenda of the bishops assembly when they discussed evangelisation, vocations etc, all based upon the irrational interpretation of the Council.
For Faggioli and Winters, the 50 years interpretation of the Council is over. It violated common sense.It contradicted the Principle of Non Contradiction.-Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 20, 2019
Massimo Faggioli and Michael Sean Winters liberalism was based on an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II.The National Catholic Reporter had two books reviewed, which interpreted Vatican Council II with the superficial and false reasoning.The books were authored by Paul Lakeland and Fr. Jared Wicks sj.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/massimo-faggiolis-and-michael-sean.html
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Adrift & Alone
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SUNDAY, OCTOBER 8, 2017
Massimo Faggioli and Cardinal Burke have to be shown their theological mistake : rejection of the Syllabus of Errors with a false premise
OCTOBER 8, 2017
SSPX begin negotiations immediately : affirm Vatican Council II ( premise free)
https://hughosb.com/2017/10/06/the-correctio-filialis-a-tangential-observation/
http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.it/2017/10/massimo-faggioli.html
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2019
So Massimo Faggioli can no more interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabusof Errors, Athanasius Creed etc).
There are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX.
Similarly Lumen Gentium does not contradict Unam Sanctam on outside the Church there is no salvation.
Vatican Council II does not contradict the ecclesiology of St.Robert Bellarmine.
However Vatican Council II interpreted according to Joseph Ratzinger is irrational and would have to contradict the ecclesiology of St. Robert Belamine and the missionaries of the 16th century. -Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 4, 2019
NOVEMBER 4, 2019
Michael Sean Winters affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since if asked he would say that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) and LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to invisible and not visible people in 2019. So they are not practical exceptions to the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. I have sent him e-mails of these posts and there is no contradiction from him.
NOVEMBER 3, 2019
Michael Sean Winters affirms Vatican Council II and also the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since the Council supports Feeneyite EENS when it is interpreted rationally.The Council is Feeneyite.He agrees with me.When he supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on EENS he is not in schism since the Council does the same when interpreted rationally. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/michael-sean-winters-affirms-vatican.html
SEPTEMBER 2, 2019
LifeSitesNews could explain to Michael Sean Winters how doctrinally and theologically they are not in schism : they affirm Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents without the false premise https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/lifesitesnews-could-explain-to-michael.html
Their false premise is:-1. Invisible people are visible.2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
AUGUST 24, 2019
Masimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and justify so many changes in the Church
AUGUST 22, 2019
Massimo Faggioli and Michael Sean Winters interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and so do not correct the error made by Pope Paul VI. They also interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and so do not correct the error made by Pope John XXIII https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/massimo-faggioli-and-michael-sean.html
AUGUST 22, 2019
Massimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters and the other Cushingites support heresy when they reject the Athanasius Creed , change the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed, change the interpretation of Vatican Council II and all the Catechisms and reject traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS ) based upon rational Feeneyism.They are in a general rupture with the past Magisterium, when they use Cushingism as a philosophy and theology
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2017
Cardinal Raymond Burke interprets Vatican Council II with the same reasoning as Massimo Faggioli and Fr.James Martin s.j
Boniface on the blog Unam Sanctam Catholicam,observes
See...here's the problem. This line of reasoning suggests that some theological views once were Catholic, but are no longer so. That's blatantly erroneous. Obviously, if a theological view was ever "Catholic", then it remains so today and forever. This is not a complex idea...its like, basic ecclesiology. "What is believed everywhere, always, by all," to quote the famous formula of St. Vincent of Lerins.
DOUTHAT AND PENTIN UNAWARE OF THE FALSE PREMISE
FEENEYITE EENS AND VATICAN COUNCIL II UNKNOWN
We have to be aware that Massimo Faggioli and Fr. James Martin s.j make two fundamental mistakes.
How can people saved in Heaven and known only to God be also on earth exceptions to the old theology, which said outside the Church there is no salvation? The new theology for them now says outside the Church there is known salvation and so the old theology is 'no more Catholic' for Faggioli.He rejects the old ecclesiology of the Church and there is a development,also for him.It is all based on visible for him cases of BOD, BOB and I.I.
IN PRINCIPLE ERROR
The Vatican should apologize for the excommunication of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Fr.Leonard Feeney.We now know they were doctrinally correct. 6
JANUARY 28, 2016
Vatican Council II is 'hate' without an irrationality used in the interpretation : Fr. James Martin S.J will not affirm this Councilhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/vatican-council-ii-is-hate-without.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/ross-douthat-needed-to-tell-frjames.html
JANUARY 26, 2016
The text of Vatican Council II as it stands today does not contradict the dogma EENS.Dignitatis Humane does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The Council can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism.The conclusion is differenthttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/the-text-of-vatican-council-ii-as-it.html
JANUARY 25, 2016
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/a-simple-theological-response-to.html
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http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.it/2017/10/massimo-faggioli.html4.http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/you-dont-know-theology-ross-douthat-and.html5.http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/possibly-prof-massimo-faggioli-thinks.html
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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/vatican-should-apologize-for.html
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