Thursday, October 1, 2009

WIKIPEDIA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ENTRY FULL OF CONFUSION

The Wikipedia entry on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church No Salvation) begins:

Roman Catholic interpretation

The Church's understanding of the significance of the phrase:"Outside the Church there is no salvation" is expressed in its Catechism of the Catholic Church, 846-848, 851 as follows:
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" - How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
"Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it" (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 14).

This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and His Church: "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too may achieve eternal salvation" (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 16).
"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him (Hebrews 11:6), the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men" (Second Vatican Council, Ad Gentes, 1).
Missionary Motivation. It is from God's love for all men that the Church in every age receives both the obligation and the vigor of her missionary dynamism, "for the love of Christ urges us on," (2 Corinthians 5:14; cf. Apostolicam actuositatem 6, Roman Missal 11). Indeed, God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4); that is, God wills the salvation of everyone through the knowledge of the truth. Salvation is found in the truth. Those who obey the prompting of the Spirit of truth are already on the way of salvation. But the Church, to whom this truth has been entrusted, must go out to meet their desire, so as to bring them the truth. Because she believes in God's universal plan of salvation, the Church must be missionary.
This conjunction of statements in the Catechism makes it clear that the Catholic Church sees the dogma "outside of the Church there is no salvation" as the basis for the missionary activity of the Church,
Comment: Correct, for the de facto missionary activity of the Catholic Church.
 because those who are innocently outside the Church




Comment: De facto we do not know who are those ‘innocently outside’ the Catholic Church.
De jure there can be those who are ‘innocently outside the Church’ and who are known only to God.
So we must not allow ourselves to be confused here.
but are also seeking to follow the will of God are thus the proper object of the Church's missionary activity - so as to bring them explicitly the saving truths of the Christian Faith which they are seeking, and by which God desires to effect their salvation through the knowledge of Jesus Christ.
Comment: And the only Church He founded outside of which there is no salvation.
And this is life everlasting that they know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom Thou hast sent." (John 17.3), "And there is not salvation in any other. For neither is there any other name under heaven given to men, wherein we must be saved." (Acts 4.12)
Comment: Note Wikipidia has shifted from the Church to Jesus Christ.

The Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus the Bible tells us. So outside the Church there is no salvation. Everyone needs to enter.
The Catechism explicitly affirms this interpretation in paragraph 161 by insisting upon the necessity of actual faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.
Comment: The Catechism also says that God the Father wishes all people to be united in the Catholic Church and to worship Him in the Catholic Church.
The Catechism also says that the Catholic Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood.
The Church is compared to a great door, according to the Catechism of the Catholic, using the example given by the Church Fathers.
Inculpable ignorance In its statements of this doctrine quoted above, the Church expressly teaches that "it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance is invincible, will not be held guilty of this in the eyes of God" (Singulari Quadam), that "outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control" (Singulari Quidem), that "they who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion and who, zealously keeping the natural law and its precepts engraved in the hearts of all by God, and being ready to obey God, live an honest and upright life, can, by the operating power of divine light and grace, attain eternal life" (Quanto Conficiamur Moerore).
Comment:They are known to God and can be saved. They are the exceptions.
We know that the dogma teaches that all people de facto need to enter the Catholic Church. So in our evangelization, when meeting non Catholics we know that everyone without exception needs to enter the Catholic Church.
Inculpable ignorance is not a means of salvation.[6] But if by no fault of the individual ignorance cannot be overcome (if, that is, it is inculpable and invincible), it does not prevent the grace that comes from Christ, a grace that has a relationship with the Church, saving that person.
Comment: Correct but this de jure salvation is not to be confused with de facto salvation.
Controversy for the Catholic ChurchThose who disagree with the Church's interpretation of the teaching "outside the Church there is no salvation" claim that the Church has contradicted itself in its teachings on faith and morals.
Comment: There is no evidence for this claim. No Church Magisterial document can be cited.
They say that the medieval Church statements indicate that no person could possibly be saved unless a member of the physical Church on earth, and that this was the meaning intended by the Popes of the time, who made no "lenient statements" on the matter.
Comment:Correct, de facto everyone needs to be a ‘member of the physical Church’ for salvation. This teaching pre-dated the medieval Church and is also there in the writings of the Church Fathers.
People like Father Leonard Feeney and traditionalists And also non Tradionalists Catholics who attend Holy Mass in the vernacular and accept Vatican Council II.

Comment:And also the Magisterium of the Catholic Church (Letter of the Holy Office 1949, Dominus Iesus 21, CDF, Notification, Dupuis 2001 etc)
believe their understanding of the original doctrine to be correct and that, if the Church were now to teach that the salvation of non-Catholics is possible, it would contradict its earlier teaching, and would violate the doctrine of the Church's infallibility.
Comment:Correct. Objective reality does not change. Hell would still be Hell. And mortal sin would still be real on the soul.
Some sedevacantists hold that the Second Vatican Council did in fact defect from the Church's infallible teaching,
Comment:Since they interpret Vatican Council II not as a continuation of Sacred Tradition. Their interpretation is similar to that of the secular media.
And that what is today generally recognized as the Catholic Church is a counterfeit, which therefore is not infallible.
Comment: The Catholic Church has not changed it s teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Even though enemies of the Church may want it to do so.




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