If ‘pagan’ rites are part of Amazon synod, they’re still ‘worship of God’: synod working doc writer-by Maike Hickson
Lionel: He is a professor of missiology at a pontifical approved institution and interprets Vatican Council II like the Lefebvrists and the liberals. Based on Vatican Council II he and the present two popes have rejected exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.They interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.For the Lefebvrists and the liberal ecclesiastics and priests, Lumen Gentium contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Not for me. I interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism. Lumen Gentium does not contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS and there being no salvation outside the Church, including, in the Amazon.
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October 23, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – The key author of the Amazon Synod's working document, Fr. Paulo Suess, has just given an interview
to Vatican News, in which he discussed the heavily criticized pagan
ceremonies that have been taking place in the last two weeks in the
Vatican, and conducted also in the presence of Pope Francis. With regard
to the claim that some of the ceremonies with the Pope were pagan,
Suess said “so what. Even if it would have been a pagan rite, then it is
nevertheless a pagan worship of God.”
Lionel: The interpretation of Vatican Council II by the Lefebvrists and liberals creates this indifferentism. Since if there can be known salvation outside the Church, then why cannot most people be saved outside the Church in their religion or with no religion?
The present two popes interpret EENS with Cushingism so BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. They also interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism. So LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are exceptions to 16th century EENS. This is a new theology and new ecclesiology and it shows in the indifferentism and syncretism at the Amazon Synod.
The liberals and Lefebvrists could interpret LG 8 etc as not being practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS however they choose the Masonic-approved version which would not be controversial.
Over a few years now I have been asking some traditionalists if they acknowledge that I am saying that BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8,LG 16 etc are not exceptions to EENS as it was known to the Magisterium and missionaries in the 16th century? They will not answer.They are Lefebvrists.
For them LG 8 etc are exceptions to EENS they have always been exceptions. It is the same with the liberal priests and religious at the Amazon Synod.
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In his new October 17 Vatican News intervie, Fr. Suess – who is a professor of missiology in Sao Paolo, Brazil...
“So
what,” was Suess's personal response. “Even if it would have been a
pagan rite, then it is nevertheless a pagan worship of God.”
Lionel: This is what they are teaching at the pontifical universities and seminaries in Rome and also the Society of St. Pius X seminaries.
At the SSPX seminaries they will criticize other religions as not being paths to salvation but with their Cushingite theology they accept that there are exceptions to EENS. Since there are exceptions to EENS there is salvation outside the Church. Since there is salvation outside the Church, non Catholics are saved in their religion. So the SSPX cannot say that in 2019 all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church, with no exceptions, to avoid Hell. There are exceptions for the SSPX and the sedevacantists.They are not Feeneyites.
So there are also exceptions for Fr. Suess and so now he is saying that people of other religions do not need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.It was based upon these exceptions, in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, Pope Francis issued his Abu Dhabi Declaration.
He said that he had not moved from Vatican Council II and what he had said was based upon Vatican Council II. He meant Vatican Council II ( Cushingite).
It is the same with Pope Benedict. His New Ecumenism and New Evangelisation is based upon Vatican Council II( Cushingite).
For me there can only be a Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and an EENS ( Feeneyite). So there is no new evangelisation, new ecumenism, new theology, new ecclesiology etc.All this 'newness' only comes with the exception-theory.
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Suess is also adversely critical of the traditional missionary activity of the Catholic Church in South America. He claimed this year: “We do not have the right to proselytize, to belittle the religion of the other or to entice [others] to conversions. The people themselves must resolve which one is the best religion for this historical moment.”
Lionel: We must respond with a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II , the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other papal documents, before and after Vatican Council II.
I mentioned in a previous blog post that the Coetus Internationalis Patrum Working Group had three options:-
1. They could have cited the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and stated that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not exceptions to EENS. This is ecclesiocentricism.It supports exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
2.They could have cited Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. This is ecclesiocentricism.Again with LG 8 etc not being exceptions to AG 7 the Council supports an exclusivist ecclesiology, like that of the missionaries in the 16th century.
3.
They could have cited the Catechism of the Catholic
Church(845,846,1257) which says God wants all people to be united in the
Catholic Church ( CCC 845) ,the Church is compared to the Ark of Noah
that saves in the flood(CCC 845)and in which all must enter to be saved.This was the traditional motivation for mission.
They could have cited AG 7 mentioned in CCC 846. It could also be clarified that even though all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church, we do not know any exceptions, to the strict interpretation of EENS. So CCC 846 no where contradicts the strict interpretation of EENS.
They could have cited AG 7 mentioned in CCC 846. It could also be clarified that even though all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church, we do not know any exceptions, to the strict interpretation of EENS. So CCC 846 no where contradicts the strict interpretation of EENS.
CCC
1257 says that the Church knows of no means to eternal salvation other
than the baptism of water, while, we humans cannot know of any case in
which someone is saved outside the Church since God is not limited to
the Sacraments (CCC 1257).This too is ecclesiocentricism.Membership in the Church, with faith and baptism, is necessary for salvation, to avoid the fires of Hell where the non Catholic Amazonians will go after death.
So
we have Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and
the dogma EENS saying the Church has an exclusiveness and superiority in
salvation. It has an ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. Like the Magisterium
and missionaries of the 16th century it is saying outside the Church
there is no salvation.This is the Conciliar Church which is not referenced in articles and books on Vatican Council II.
We need to start intepreting Vatican Council II with the red not being an exception to the blue. 1
-Lionel Andrades
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7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
We need to start intepreting Vatican Council II with the red not being an exception to the blue. 1
-Lionel Andrades
1
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
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