Monday, August 6, 2012

VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ST.VINCENT PALOTTI’S UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Today afternoon I was in the little 12th century church where the incorrupt body of St. Vincent Palotti lies.

I then went to the Congregation’s house opposite the Ponte Sesto Bridge over the Tiber River. There was a German priest there, a Palotti Father with whom I spoke.I thought that the Catholic Church today still accepted the saints teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus in its magisterial texts even after Vatican Council II.The priest did not agree with me.

Why? What is the citation or new Revelation that accounts for this change?

He did not know. He just said this was not what the Church teaches. He called it "a mystery".

He would not say it is a new doctrine but a ‘new, deeper understanding of doctrine’.

What is the basis for this new deeper  understanding? With no reference texts different priests would come to different conclusions. Each of them could say it’s a new deeper understanding. He laughed often and said it was a mystery.

The English Palotti Fathers along with the English Pontifical seminaries in Rome  are teaching errors her in courses on ecumenism etc.They cite Ut Unum Sint of Pope John Paul II but never mention that it says Christian communities must accept the pope and enter the Catholic Church.

These versions of Vatican Council II or the Faith should be rejected in which the priest cannot provide any citations from the  Council or Church texts.These Congregations even reject the teachings of the founders of their community, like St. Vincent Palotti.-Lionel Andrades

SSPX COMMUNIQUE INDICATES THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT A COUNCIL WITHOUT THE VISIBLE DEAD PROBLEM

Communique (1) indicates invincible ignorance, implicit desire, seeds of the Word are not ‘exceptions’.


With no ‘exceptions’ in Vatican Council II the Council supports the Syllabus of Errors and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) communique should unite their priests and bishops since for the first time ever the tarmac and runway has been prepared for a flight in a new direction- towards a traditional Vatican Council II.


If they have stumbled upon a traditional Vatican Council II all the SSPX bishops and priests should be united and happy with this event.It’s the liberals in Rome who should be sweating.The communique will unite all traditionalists including those in the Fr. Leonard Feeney camp.


The communique says outside the church there is no salvation 'we reaffirm our faith in the Roman Catholic Church, the unique Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, outside of which there is no salvation' (the old SSPX position) and ‘nor possibility to find the means leading to salvation’ ( the new clarification).


This is a shift from Bishop Richard Williamson and Fr. Francois Laisney’s position on every one needing to enter the Church except for those in …


So when the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales states every one needs to enter the Church except for those saved with the ‘seeds of the Word’ etc. the SSPX would say that we acknowledge that a non Catholic could be saved with the seeds of the Word etc but the seeds of the Word is not an exception. There are no exceptions. Since theoretically and practically we do not know anyone saved with the seeds of the Word.There are no visible-dead.


The SSPX would be using Vatican Council II to negate the English bishops' error on their  website. They would be correcting the bishops on the bishops’ turf, Vatican Council II.


Everything has been changed and over time the message will reverberate, at some places uncomfortably.


It was a simple communique, one small line, a little theological observation and its has put the SSPX in the driving seat.


Now when the Archbishop of Boston website tells us that Nostra Aetate has changed Church teaching the communique reminds us that we do not know any exception -saved, a non Catholic who is a 'good and holy' (NA).There are no visible-dead who are 'good and holy' and saved.


The SSPX can no more be 'in schism’ since there is only interpretation of Vatican Council II and it is theirs!
-Lionel Andrades

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we reaffirm our faith in the Roman Catholic Church, the unique Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, outside of which there is no salvation nor possibility to find the means leading to salvation...-SSPX Chapter Communique. July 19,2012(emphasis added)